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General => General => Topic started by: Zone on May 07, 2006, 09:27:38 AM
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One of da guyz says that the original Star Wars trilogy is being released to DVD later this year and as part of the bonus features package the REAL original theatrical releses will be included, you know the ones they made with actors and material things... before Lucas converted to the CG god.
Gonna buy it?
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My Dad is officially George Lucas' Bitch, so he'll buy it, but... yeah. I was a little impressed. I didn't know Lucas had any marketing for these movies left in him, and there he pulled an elephant out of the hat.
I mean, after all the complaints, you know, KNOW that people are going to line up to buy the original version, so they can show thier families and kids what the series originally looked like.
-kv
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If it's gonna have the non-'upgraded' version, heck yeah! I never believed that Han would let Greedo shoot first, like Lucas retconned in the special edition.
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Makes you kinda wonder about that 'upgraded version' now doesn't it..,.
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yes, han will shoot first again. And I'm buying it especially considering I never bought the upgraded DVD. So, good thing I waited :)
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Personallby, I really liked the upgraded Episode IV, with the major exeption of the "Greedo Thing". The Death Star fight was MUCH better in the upgrade, as was seeing some of the deleted scenes, but I probably won't buy this. I've seen Star Wars 257 times now (yes I am nerd enough to count) and have the entire movie memorized, so why bother? If, however, someone bought it for me (since my birthday is in 2 weeks) then yes, I would watch them. ;)
Gabriel (shamelessly trolling for presents. ;))
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hahaha, ya bum ;)
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To quote Daffy Duck (Mr. Garaboldi's household god of Frustration) , "I'm a Miser, a greedy, little miser!!!!"
Gabriel
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Me too, so I think I'll ask my much more flush brothers for this as my Christmas present. I gotta have the original on something other than tape.
In an interview Lucas actually had the gall to say he changed the Han-Greedo scene because he didn't want Han to be a 'cold blooded murderer since they cannot be redeemable'
HELLO!? Can anyone say hypocrisy? Han gets the drop on a would be killer and he's damned? Anakin murders a building full of students and he's the redemtion golden boy. Pukorama!
Sadly, I do have geek issues
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'salright, Zone. So do I.
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Maybe someone should have pointed that out to the fat frag. Personally, I'm getting pretty fraggin' tired of George "I'm a god beecause I had input on a great trilogy 20 years ago" Lucas. I hope someone shoves a cactus up his hoop.
Gabriel
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I'll do it, I have no shame
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I wouldn't. I respect cacti too much. . .
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doesn't have to be cactus, just gimmie somethin
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OK, that has to be the gay-est thing I've ever seen posted on this entire board.
Gabriel
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And you've been keeping track of that, I have no doubt?
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He's the only one who would *shudder*
So I really have to turn all my Star wars RPG rund into a decent novel - damn few of those in the SWEU. Without exception our initial foray into the SWRPG was the best damn game we ever played. My character from that gets a spot in the hall of fame - not the least reason being a really long night with a smuggler named Solo. Yeah, in game off screen sex with canon characters - my GM is great - LOL
Did you ever notice there's no one hint of sex from anybody in the new trilogy from anyone but the guy who turns into the most evil man in the galaxy - I'd say George has been too long without.
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Well, he IS the ultimate Star Wars nerd, I can't imagine he gets ;aid much.
Oh, and Jester and I actually played in a SWRPG for a bit. Those were some fun games. I miss gaming with that group in that game. One of my favorite PC's came out of SWRPG: a Brash Pilot who reprogrammed his R2 unit with Jessica Rabbit's voice and hit on every Twilek chick he ran into. YOu just gotta love a woman who can wrap her tenticles around you when your' getting into it. Hubba, hubba. ;)
Gabriel
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Yeah, I play in a SW RPG group too, and although the group is fun, it's pretty evenly split between Jedi and dark jedi. The only non-jedi characters are support NPCs, mostly around because we don't know how to fly a spaceship for ourselves.
Actually, I lost my character after the first time we played, so when I made another, I gave him piloting skills, just so we could be slightly more proficient.
It is a fun group though- there's me, a light-side consular, an ewok guardian (also light side), and a new player who ended up as a secondary jedi consular (light side). Then there's a second new player who's going to darkside guardian route, a four-armed guardian with a perchant for force choke (who's going major-darkside), and finally the leader of the group, a jawa who does just enough darkside and lightside stuff to balance out.
We do spend a lot of time discussing whether or not we actually see the darkside jedi using darkside powers. So far we've demanded that one of them surrender his lightsabers until he can meet with the jedi masters, but the other guy isn't far from it.
-kv
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I do believe KV is talking about the D20 version. It sucked compared to the old school West End version. That's what we played. Our first group had 1 bounty hunter, 1 smuggler, and 2 pilots. Not a friggen jedi around. Ah what fun
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I've played both systems, and one of the guys in the gaming club was picked to help play-test the d20.
That game was set between Empire and Jedi and we managed to steal a small, Imperial shuttle...
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sounds familiar ;)
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Was the code an older one but still valid???
Gabriel
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We never found out for sure, but we got it while saving a bunch of wookiee slaves. Can't imagine they'd use new codes for something like that.
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Well, as long as you fly casuale, you shouldn't have any problems. ;)
Gabriel
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how do you fly casual?
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Keep your distance but don't look like you're keeping your distance
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Go in guns Blazin'!!!
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What? That's casual. . . Seriously
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in my oppion the d20 system kind of ruins star wars admitly havent played the d20 system but in the groups i played in under the west end system jedis wernt spilling out of the grain hoppers like tribbles
at most there was maybe 1 or 2 jedi or force senitive char and we didnt play dark side charters the d20 was just ad&d with a scifi face lift
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Agreed.
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yep, I agree 100%. it was a much better system. D20 just needs to be D&D
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*nods* the class system really doesn't work well in Star Wars. Heck, that's one of my favorite things about Shadowrun.
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agreed the tempplate method is defently better level based limits what you can fight
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not only that, it's easier to customize your character.
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yep, I agree 100%. it was a much better system. D20 just needs to be D&D
Er... no. D20 just needs to be redone from the ground. Or better yet, burned and forgotten.
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I won't play SWRPG if it isn't the old version. What good is rolling a 'good fucking luck' role with a d20 :P No dammit, ya gotta go ahead, burn that force point, and pitch 749 six sided to see if you managed to crash land on the imperial outpost successfully.
And Yes that is taken from the game I played (though the number of dice is slightly exagerated) I like how the Bothans took all the credit when it was actually my group that passed them the plans :)
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hehe. You stole the plans, my group picked up the shuttle...
I really wish we could get the credit for that.
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Well, we christened the group by watching all 6 of the movies back-to-back-to-back... you get the idea. I wasn't even there for the whole movie event, and I was tired by the end of Empire and Jedi. Whew.
Of course it did help that we had all seen the movies a bajillion times before, so we heckled and came up with some suprisingly instightful stuff.
Did you ever know the Wicket was a pothead? Why else was he way out there by himself, and all paranoid, so he heard the stormtroopers coming? And why did he bond for life with Princess Leigha when she offered him food? Can you say Munchies?
And how many R2 units did they go through? At last count we figured about 8. I'm serious, it explain a whole lot- why R2 had those rockets in Episode 3, why he sucked again in Episode 4, and why he kicked ass again in episode 6. I'm just saying.
Anyway, the group is more for the excersize of all of us getting to play Jedi. A bunch of us played and loved Knights of the Old Republic (for those of you who have played, I'm sure you would understand) and so our game is set back in that era (Exar Kun saga, actually, for those of you nerdy enough to know what that is)
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I actually prefer not playing a Jedi. Might seem weird since I tend to play physads in Shadowrun, but with the exception of the KotOR games, I've never RP'ed a Force user.
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I have once, and I did have fun with it. But that was the only charecter I played. The others were my GM charecters. I've always been a huge fan of bounty hunters. And I know Exar Kun, KV :)
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I still think my Jawa Bounty Hunter would have been a damn cool PC. Imagine, a bounty hunter who used scrapped droids and cobbled-together mechanical drek to capture his prey. No one would ever see it coming. It would be like being horribly savaged by a mouse droid.
Gabriel
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actruly droid bounty hunter crew has ben done in star wars jonurals
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Yeah, but I had always pictured him "tweeking" small, inofensive driods like R2 units and Mouse droids, you know, things that no one would really pay attention to. I figured that the jawa wouldn't be able to take ANYONE on in a straight fight, so he would need to be as sneaky as possible to do what he needed to do. In hindsight, it would probably have worked better as an NPC, though.
Gabriel
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Knew a guy who played an Ewok fighter pilot. He had his own, modified TIE fighter and arm/leg extensions so he could reach the controls.
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But was he allowed to fly? As I recall, the empire hated non-humans, unless they were very, very, very good at what they did (And thus useful to the empire. . .)
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This was New Republic era
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I bet that was some massive culture shock for an ewok. Of course, those little buggers are pretty damn nasty in a fight. I bet he wracked up some serious kills.
Gabriel
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Dunno. He only lasted a couple game sessions, but he did get a bar renamed for him (The Drunken Ewok).
The player failed an astrogate/pilot check and the Ewok pancaked in an asteroid field.
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YOUCH! Guess he should have spent some character points and dropped the target number. Oh well, one less rabid teddy bear inthe universe.
Gabriel
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My character was the other pilot and made the check for the transport the rest of the party was in.
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I had a ex imperial rescue poilet named florance bonechrusher even had a imp recsue ship
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haha, kinda sux to get wasted when it's not your fault
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Well, all I have to say is that I scraped ALL of the paint off of my R2 unti dodgin an asteroid. I had to use all of my spare character points to do it, and got laughed at by the Y-Wing pilot for the rest of the game. Damn galactic rednecks and their good rolls....
Gabriel
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now me self our group usally flew xwings or awings
and could have been worse the ewok could have been flying a yt 1300 with the whole group
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*Nods* I usually make sure my SW characters have decent transport piloting skills. Fighters are great, but if the group needs to get out off planet in a hurry, I can always steal a ship.
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how would you feel if your team medic was named florance bonecrusher
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I'd feel great about it as long as Florence was sticking me in a bacta tank and attaching the new bionic arm. ;)
Gabriel
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I had a character called Boneweaver once. She was 6'4" and considered petite among her people :)
I SW I tend to play non-Jedi Force sensatives since I play with power gamer loons who will all eventually wind up as Jedi one way or antoher - and we've taken many a path to that goal.
As for Ewoks? Well, they were driven into extinction by the toxic fallout from the explosion of the Deathstar ;D
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You know, I never thought about that. What sould the effects be of a moon-sized object being detonated in orbit around an inhabited body??? I bet the tides went beserk if nothing else.
Gabriel
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Actually I remember reading a big 'scientific study' on line by some guy who made just this argument. Its probably still out there somewhere.
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You have to take into account that Endor was a moon with a moon-sized satelite orbiting it. I would have thought that would have killed all life in the moon. Something taht big being in orbit would muck up all kinds of things.
Gabriel
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THe stat I remember from the anti-extinction side was that the deathstar was 'six planetary distances away' - - whatever the hell that means.
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Do you mean 6 AU???? That's imopssible, it would be WAY too far away to have a stable orbit.
Gabriel
[Let me explain that a bit. 1 AU is 1 Astrinomical (sp) Unit representing the distance from the Earth to the Sun. So 6 AU would be six times the distance from the Earth to the Sun.
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Don't remember, all I remember was that the argument seemed to place the DS too far away, I mean it was clearly visible from the planetary surfce revealing more detail than we see on our own moon...
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Well I guess it just comes down to it being a fantasy, and therfore full of plot holes that we choose to ignore.
Gabriel
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The willful suspension of disbelief is an essential :)
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And fun.
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the mass was probly not as great as a natural moon of that size woukld be and the ecosystem probly returned to normal and most of the debris would have burned up on rentry
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Not a chance, Mercy, sorry. Anything that big couldn't have been vaporized. There would have had to have been large chunks of structure raining down on endor. Now consider, something the size of the Death Star would have been easily capable of creating debris that were miles across. Even one piece of debris a few miles wide would hit with an impact capable of destroying all life on Endor. And even if one of them wouldn't have done the job, remember, this is the Death Star, there would have been A LOT more chunks hitting Endor.
But again, it's not like Star Wars is anywhere even close to being realistic.
Gabriel
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THe stat I remember from the anti-extinction side was that the deathstar was 'six planetary distances away' - - whatever the hell that means.
I always took that to mean planetary diameters, which is a silly measurement as well, given how the diameter of Jupiter (a planet, more or less) is about 11 times that of earth.
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sooo... it was six 'earths' away?
-kv
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Or Couruscants (sp?), maybe
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Or maybe someone had his head up his hoop and just made the measurement up??? Who can say? By the way, how far away, in "planetary distance" is the moon away from earth???
Gabriel
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Oh, that's the by far most likely.
And as for your second answer, google can help you find out.
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Even if the entire Death Star vaporized in Endor's atmosphere, every living thing on that planet would be flash fried. As something burns up (Vaporizes,) it imparts it's thermal energy into the medium that surrounds it.
Science Lab (Don't do this at home.)
According to the Death Star Technical Handbook published by West End Games, the Death Star has a diameter of 120 kilometers.
Let's assume that the DS has uniform density of 1kg/cubic meter. (And since it was made of plasticrete and ceramasteel, that's being VERY generous).
Mass = Volume * Density.
Mass = (4/3) * pi * (60,000 meters)^2 *1
Mass = Approximately 15 billion kg.
Calorimetry of Steel
Heat of vaporization of Carbon 355.8 kJ/kg
Heat of Vaporization of Iron 349.6 kJ/kg
Carbon and Iron make up steel so average is 353 kJ/kg
353*15,000,000,000 = 5,295,000,000,000,000 Joules of energy pumped into Endor's atmosphere, which cooks to a plasma, while the oceans boil, vaporize, and plasmate too.
There you have it, proven by amateur Shlock science. Crispy Ewoks! Q.E.D.
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Like Zone said: Willful Suspension of disbelief.
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You saw how big the explosion was in the sky on Endor's forest moon in the movie. Even the explosion was smaller than the moon in our night sky.
Here's what I'm thinking. The Destroyer fleet sits there, and the Rebels are forced to move closer to engage. The Death Star follows suite, moving further and further away from the forest moon (and our crispy ewoks).
When the shield goes down, the Death Star doesn't sit there- it tries to make a run for it! So the Death Star is even further away when Lando manages to destroy the core.
Far enough away that it shows up as this tiny explosion in the sky for our happy (and not crispy) Ewoks.
Just my .02Y
-kv
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Or you could say that all of the creatures on the planet, what with it being FULL of happy little critters, all used the Force to help save the planet and deflect the energy into the planet, you know, the planet that was never EVER mentioned which endor actually orbits.
Gabriel
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Endor is the planet. The Ewoks live on the 'forest moon of Endor.'
-kv
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Well, you also have to remember the Death Star wasn't complete. The weapon was finished (Duh) but there were entire sections that hadn't been built yet, and I'm guessing there were plenty of sections that were little more than welded struts (Or whatever the equivilant is.) It's still plenty massive, but not quite as bad as it would be if it had been completed.
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Ok, so the size of half a moon. That's is still FAR too big to have no effect on the environment.
And as for the planet being named Endor, I always thought calling it the "forrest moon of Endor" was a descriptive of the name, like say, "the desert planet of Tattooine". So if Endor was the planet, what was the moon called?? And how big was Endor to have an inhabitable moon orbiting it???
Gabriel
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ya know, after reading this thread, my geek level rose about 50% by proxy. I gotta go puke now... ;D
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Says the man who has discussed hyperdrive technology at the top of his lungs while walking through the mall. ;)
Gabriel (yep, I was there)
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as for the debris falling only a portion of it woul,d have hit the moon
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Well, yeah, with a circular object, an explosion would extend in all directions.
Stupid Lucas and his stupid 'Ring of Distruction.' >:/
Anyway, I didn't really think about it until I played Knights of the Old Republic, where you actually land on moons of planets, most of which are habitable.
I was thinking that it was a little out of the way planet (Endor), and the 'forest moon' was used to differenciate from say, the desert moon, or the uninhabital moon. I mean, how many moons does Endor even have?
-kv
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Dunno, but Yavin has at least four, two of which are inhabitable.
Yavin IV (Which is where the Rebels hid out in A New Hope) and another (Don't remember which one, but I seem to remember the Solo kids went there at some point during their Jedi training).
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Yeah... you would think- they have this whole galaxy- how many times are they going to end up on Yavin and Tattooine?
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It's only because they're two of the better known locales among casual fans
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I like the "Knights of the Old Republic" take on it. It doesn't matter, so make up new planets, as well as revisiting old ones. I was more than a little dissapointed that they had Anakin come from Tattooine- it would have made more sense for his 'aunt' and 'uncle' to actually just have been friends of the republic, who had a falling out with Obi-Wan. Or something.
Gayness. Darth Vader never apparently thought to himself, "Where are my kids? I'm a super-powered force user, but it never occurs to me to give my half-brother a call."
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Thta's because GL is a TOTAL DOUCHE BAG and untalented hack. He probably thought it added symetry or something.
Gabriel
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Anything that big couldn't have been vaporized. There would have had to have been large chunks of structure raining down on endor. Now consider, something the size of the Death Star would have been easily capable of creating debris that were miles across. Even one piece of debris a few miles wide would hit with an impact capable of destroying all life on Endor. And even if one of them wouldn't have done the job, remember, this is the Death Star, there would have been A LOT more chunks hitting Endor.
Even the teeny tiny Space Lab sent chunks of itself down on Australia - true it hadn't been blown up, but it still didn't get utterly vaporized in the atmoshphere.
And yes, the idea of sending Luke to daddy's homeworld to be raised under daddy's name instead of even say - Lars - completely lame in big flaming letters.
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Well, he was whiney. Maybe they were raising him under the name of Lars, and one day when he was whining, "Dad" (aka Owen) said "You know what? I'm glad I'm not your real dad! You're adopted! Now stop whining and get back to work!" and thereafter was known as "Uncle Owen."
hahahhaa... well, it made me smile at the thought.
-kv