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General => Reviews => Topic started by: Jester on May 20, 2006, 05:05:51 AM
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Well, I read this book before I knew it was gonna be a movie and I liked it then. Last night I went and saw it at the movies and still liked it. There were very few changes and any change they made had no effect whasoever on the story. The funniest part was the old lady standing outside the theater stopping people who were going into the movie. Too bad she didn't stop us, we would have had some fun with her :)
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I went to see "Art School Confedential" last night and and a group of people with signs were standing next to the movie theater near a vacant lot. Well we thought they were protesting whatever building was being built on that lot since it was between two already large buildings and had a construction sign in front of it. SO we looked over at them, asked ourselves "what the hell is with the protesters" and then went and watched our film. It wasn't until we were leaving in the car that we happened to see the word "Lord" on one of the signs and realized that these morons were boycotting the Devinci Code and trying to get others not to see it as well.
I have to say, some people are so fraggin' stupid that it almost makes me weep. However, I still intend to red the book now, since it has started all this retarded Christian Right stupidity. I will, however, wait for the DVD to see the actual movie.
Gabriel
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I honestly don't get the angst. So what if Jesus was married, ain't it the messege we're supposed to run with, not the yes or no factor on a wife?
I also never got why the RC church insisted that Mary and Joseph lived their lives celibate - Bible even mentions James as Jesus brother who was the head of the church in Jeruselam. Can't have a brother without at least one shared parent, right? Modern family dynamics notwithstanding....
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Yeah... people are kind of sheltered that way.
Technically James was Jesus' half-brother. (You know, with Diety on one side of the family and all)
Some of the fluff from Da Vinci code comes from a book called "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" which makes some pretty unflattering accusations about the Christian faith. Da Vinci Code was even close enough to the message of that book that the authors of it tried to sued for eleventy-billion dollars. But they lost. And the author of the Da Vinci code, I heard he swims around in a big vault of money like Scrooge McDuck.
Anyway, the book (Holy Blood, Holy Grail) accuses early christians of taking Mary Magdaline (who some purport is the wife of christ), while she was pregnant, and hiding her among the germanic tribes of europe, because it conflicted with thier whole 'Jesus is Lord, much better than us normal people' thing. So Jesus has a bloodline in Europe, and all of his descendants have been hidden (killed?) by the catholic church.
Or something like that. Hopefully someone around here is an expert, and can correct anything I said wrong.
-kv
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Funny thing is, the whole 'Holy Virgin'-thing didn't become an element/issue until around 300 AD, according to historians, IIRC.
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Yeah... they came up with a lot of stuff then.
Second Council of Nicean, if I remember correctly?
That was also when they organized the order of the books in the bible- taking the books the Apostle John wrote out of order. (Since John wrote his gospel, Revelations, and then his epistles to the saints... but they wanted that kick with 'add to or take away' at the end)
-kv
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Actually, the New Testament is organized first by what type of book it is (Gospel, Letters, etc.), then by length. Since Revelations is considered a book of prophecy, it doesn't 'belong' in the same section as the Gospels or the Letters.
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"They actually put it at the end because they liked the kicker of 'whomsoever shall add to this book shall have the plagues added unto him. Whomsoever shall take away from this book shall have thier names taken out of the book of life."
I'm mormon, so I hear that one A LOT.
-kv
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pretty much everyhting you guys have said matches what I've been seeing on the history channel this week. And tonight the history channel with bee doing a show where they will show you what's fact and what's fiction from the book. I think it's at like 7 CST. I am definbatly planning on watching that :)
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I think I saw part of that show. A long with a whole lot of other, semi-related stuff.
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I did too. Talk about alot of stuff I learned over the week
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enjoyable moive the stuff ledanery runs are made of
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ok now heres something i went and seen the movie..which was great...throws all of what i was taught as a child was almost a lie...yes now i know it was pagons that was the frist religion and then christains who thought they were all that and killed anyone who spoke their own minds...who cares if jesus had a wife and a child...means he did live a normal life cuz you dont read about his life when he was a teen to when he started profizing...gave a lot of people rights to kill under christs name...yes jesus was the son of god but hes not god...he was born to a mortal woman...which in my eyes makes him half mortal...nothng more nothing less then when others found out about him thats when the wars started ....hard to find out whats right or wrong cuz in this case dont believe there is a right or wrong....but now i want to read the books they have about this and the main book itself would be nice to learn someone elses outlook on it other then those who believe they are right :o
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the book was good too. I read it during the whole hurricane katrina thing before I knew it was gonna be a movie. The book and the movie are very close. The book has more history in it though adn talks more about the free masons than they did in the movie
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That's because the freemason s forced Ron Howard to take all of that stuff out!
Just kidding- I'm not that much of a conspiracy nut.
-kv
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Or you are a conspiracy nut, and unknown forces are forcing you to censor your posts! Quick! Analyse his posts for hidden messages . . .
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M...O...N...
I got it! The monkeys are doing it!
Those monkeys and thier infernal typewriters, producing the complete works of Shakespeare!
-kv
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the devinci code code make a very instresting shadowrun senerio
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yea, it would. Didn't think of that
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Heh, it would be interesting to present my runners with a riddling puzzle that didn't involve a locked door, or a countdown until enemy reinforcements.
They are smart puzzlers when playing Fantasy RP games, but that goes right out the window when I run SR. . .
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you could have them tied to a chair with a mini gun to their foreheads if they don't get the puzzle solved in time :)
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Yeah... puzzles are harder to do in Shadowrun.
Although, for some reason, my same exact group can put together puzzles when we're playing D&D.
-kv
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Different setting, different mindset, I guess. . .
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maybe because puzzles are more expected in d&d
can you image the runners facdes when they find out that the cayhloic church is after them
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rofl, that would be awesome
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Strange, that was what my next game was going to be about. One of the runners is an ex-vatican intelligence officer. He was in Chicago when the CZ went up and he got out somehow and went rogue. Now the vatican wants to know how he got out, why he got out, and the details of some mysterious mission that he has no memory of. I do so love the "hunted" and "amnesia" flaws. ;)
Gabriel
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I think thier called the order of syvester aka heratic hunters holy
hermitic mages
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That's the order of St. Sylvester you are thinking of. With this PC, I was going to mix in a Vatican hit team and some flesh form wasp spirits. If we ever get another game going, it should be fun.
Gabriel
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thanks for the correction
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the worst you could have had after you was the people from the churches back in the days...i mean to be whipped out for just believing what you wanted and having no say or you would be excuted thats kinda harsh...but they had those that hid in the shadows n attacked when the people who were killing {i forgot the names of them} they would in turn fight back...wonders if they had fire back in the day.... ;)
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Well hey Religion = Bigotry. People can be good and unbiased, but religions as organizations cannot. Get enough zealots of ANY kind together, and you are going to have problems.
Gabriel
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exactly. Look at the Knights Templar
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That's not entirely fair, Gabe. I know a few very religious people who are the most loving nonjudgemental folks in the world. It's not religion that fucks people up, IMO its fucked up people who hide behide stuff like religion that are the problem.
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acturaly the knight templars were the victims because they became to rich and powerful and were cutting to king phillps taxs
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that is true, but they did let their zealos nature get the best of them and got hit with a bad defeat. I can't remember the name of the arab king who did it, but they got whooped bad. As a matter of fact the movie Kingdom of Heavon was loosly based on that event
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Dude... seriously?
Religion = Bigotry?
I don't understand how me liking some half-jewish guy who was killed for his teachings equals bigotry.
I might sort of agree that zealots = bigotry, but even that'd be pushing it.
-kv
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Ok, to both Kid_Vid and Zone, rremember, I said religion as it is an institution, not the individual. Make no mistake, I know some very fair-minded and good-hearted folks who happen to be fairly religious as well. Just look in a mirror, Kid_Vid. I am making a broad generalization that is backed up by 2,000+ years of human history. And I do think Zone has a good point about zealots getting into religions and then making it a mutation of what it was. I firmly believe that all religions are started with the best of intentions, but no one in the world believes anything the same way anyone else does, and therein lies the defeat of organizations, any organization, that becomes as large and dominant as the phenomina of religion has become in human society.
I won't say that I think religious people in particular are bad, or bigotted simply because they are religious, but I feel that in this case, by the previous post, that religion does foster an intolerance of other religions. There is no religion that as a whole embraces and supports the all of the precepts and tenants of any other religion.
Gabriel