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Shadowrun RPG => SR4 (Shadowrun 4th Edition) General Discussion => Topic started by: ROOTless on May 24, 2006, 03:15:42 PM
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This (http://www.geocities.com/kitsune/sr4bpa.htm) might be of interest to some.
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That's why I hate build point systems.
I prefer BeCKS.
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You know, where's the fun of building the most 'efficient' character?
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Yeah... I would be very afraid of anyone who made a full page on how to min-max a character. ;D I really hope it was a HTML class project or something... but I don't think it was.
-kv
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Nor do I, unfortunatly.
And it did absolutly nothing to motivte me to move on to the 4th edition.
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You and I are fogies, ROOTless. Toothless and grey.
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I just found my copy (couldn't get an original) of the first edition rules.
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Still got mine sitting on the shelf. Hardcopy, very, very worn.
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You and I are fogies, ROOTless. Toothless and grey.
Well, I for one still favor Ars Magica in the 3rd edition (there are currently 5), though it's adimittedly largely identical to the 2nd (and the rules differences aren't always to the benefit of 3rd).
It's the same with L5R RPG (I have the first edition, there are currently 3 I think), and would be the same with AD&D 2nd edition/D20, if I still could be moved to play anything level based.
And of course I still prefer the old World of Darkness to the new one...
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Despite being off topic, I have to say that Paranoia 3rd edition is best out of 5, Warhammer 1st is better than the new one, IMHO, and I too prefer 2nd AD&D. Weapon speeds is a great concept. . .
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Agreed. Oh, and who prefers D20 Starwars RPG over the West End Games version?
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I remember playing Star Wars, the old old one with my friend. Didn't like how the rules made being on the Dark Side "evil"
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I only played WEG Star Wars a couple months before the switch to D20, but I did miss rolling massive fistfuls of dice.
I still have the first 11 dice I got for the game: two five-packs of Yatzee dice, and a matching red one a friend gave me for the Wild die.
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Oh... my.
(lost brain cells checking out the "spread sheet". learned something new readin everyone elses views.)
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yeah i have that, printed it out even
gave me a headache
the reading, not the printing
the west end games system for swg was kinda weird
the wild die thing screwed more than a few times
the thing about SR is, its always been a BP system, really
they just changed how it worked
not saying its better or worse, just saying, its pretty much the same idea
oh and i have copies of all 4 editions :)
hardback for the first and 4th
friend of mine had 2nd edition with the dragon skin cover on it but never got him to part with it
I never got to play 3rd unfortunately for various reason and things goin on in RL
havent had the chance to play 4th yet
ive been re-readin all the old novels and sourcebooks, well the ones i have. I need to pick up the rest
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Hah! I don't need no stinking analysis to min/max a character. I made a 4th character that rolls 17 dice to shoot a pistol. Most things die in one shot! And when I get shot, I get to roll 8-12 dice depending on what piece of armor I'm wearing.
After that I don't feel the need to min/max, I guess I just wanted to see what it'd be like in 4th. It was my first 4th character after all. The next character I'm making is going to be very mediocre, a hero of the barrens if you will. I think I'll have more fun that way.
IMHO the biggest bonus 4th edition has over 3rd is the learning curve, it's a lot easier to get a new person into the game and understand how everything works. But you know, it's just not as kewl...
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Yeah, it's a lot easier to give them a made character and say, "when you roll, you take this number of dice and this number of dice and roll..."
I haven't really dealt with the matrix or magic, because my brother (Ruski) did that one without me, and my other buddy wanted to test out combat, in all its vainglorious forms. So we didn't do much other than that.
But I'm still trying to get a bead on the system, so that I can GM and have fun with it. After all, the game is more about the people than the rules anyway.
-kv
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Much like I handle negotiations, especially in the PBP game, to me as a GM it's more about you actually saying this and that then so much on the dice rolls. I generally use that only as a formality or if the NPC has double the dice then the player.
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back to the very first post did anybody get so bored as to do a 3rd edition version?
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Min/Maxing is there in every game.
some people get their jollies off of eeking the edge over anyone else.
and really, if you want to create a charichter, that sort of information is useful.
Let's say you are going to be the party's street sam.
or better yet, let's say your buddy. bob :bob: is going to be the street sam.
you are playing the mage.
don't you want the street sam protecting your back to be able to take a punch? be able to fire his gun and make the bad (badder?) men stop trying to kill you?
do you want him to put all his points into charisma? isn't he just a bullet-spunge?
now, I'll be the first to admit that i've had my fair share of games ruined by the min-maxing rules lawyer. (as K1d about 2nd edition DnD elves some time. see if he can talk about them without crying.)
but everyone does it. even if it is just to figure out if you should buy a car, or that bazooka.
-RuskiFace the Pirate