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Title: Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on September 26, 2006, 07:29:56 AM: I have to say, I'm a bit surprised no one posted about this show before I did. If you missed the first episode, you should go pirate it. It was pretty damn interesting.

For any of you who may not be familiar with the show, it is on NBC at 8:00 Central on Mondays (at least for the moment) and it is more or less a drama revolving around the emergance of new "special" individuals. (i.e. mutants/metahumans) So far, the show has a kind of realistic feel to it. No eye-lasers or flashy special effects at all. In fact, the only real special effect of the entire thing was the last minute of the show when someone was flying. So far there are 6 possible "special" people. An artist who gets smacked up on heroine and paints the future, a single mom in Vegas whose "mirror image" self seems to have a life of its own, a japanese NERD who loves Star Trek and finds that he can bend space/time, a teenage cheerleader from Odessa, Texas (I just love that name) who seems to have a massive healing factor, a male nurse who may or may not be able to fly with or without his brother's help, and a little boy of about 8-12 ish who seems to be the next Forge. All of them are being tracked by a man from India whose father predicted advanced human evolution and whome the sone thinks was murdered for it.

I don't want to give any of the spoilers away, but I thought it was really well done. Like I said before, it seemed much more realistic than say "Mutant X" or "Dark Angel" or any of those. You can actually feel these people, except maybe the cheerleader. She doesn't want her powers, but keeps trying to find a wl to hurt herself. At one point, she gets pissed off that she has to push a few ribs back into her torso instead of dieing from the wound. Go figure.

Anyway, two thumbs up from me, and you can check out the web sight if you like, but I'm going to watch and let it get revealed instead.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: swirler on September 26, 2006, 08:34:34 AM: wow sounds interesting, but ive never heard anything about it.
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Post by: kv on September 26, 2006, 08:58:48 AM: Yeah, I liked the concept so much that I kept watching the Tivo listings to see when it would finally be on there.. a nd when it finally popped up, I immediately listed it.

The show is well done- filmed in a very realistic style, with very well-written and realistic characters.

I like it a lot.

The nerdy japanese guy is awesome. He quotes Star Trek and X-Men comics. ;D

-kv
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Post by: Gabriel on September 26, 2006, 10:48:54 AM: Hehehehehe, yeah I know, and did you catch his name? It's Hiro. In fact, the guy he was talking to about all of this sneared at him, "So what are you? Super Hiro?" I loved that line. How did you like what happened to the two mafia thugs???

Gabriel
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Post by: AJStarhiker on September 26, 2006, 02:17:11 PM: drek. I wanted to watch it but I missed and it didn't get on our TiVo.
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Post by: Jester on September 27, 2006, 05:15:44 AM: I got messed up on this one. It was originally supposed to air on monday, but I was watching football thinking it was on. And my DVR was busted. I found outlast night that it actually aired, last night. By the time I found out it was too late
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Post by: Gabriel on September 27, 2006, 05:33:56 AM: I bet you can pirate it on Livewire or Kazaa or something pretty soon.

Gabriel
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Post by: kv on September 27, 2006, 09:38:44 AM: You could check youtube. They usually have pirated stuff on there as soon as it'd finished showing on tv.

Let me look for it to find you a link...

http://www.nbc.com/ (http://www.nbc.com/) and click on the link for 'heroes premier' on the bottom.

-kv
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Post by: Gabriel on September 27, 2006, 12:58:48 PM: Hey, now that's kind of cool. They're giving the premier away for free. Nice.

Gabriel
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Post by: Jester on September 28, 2006, 04:40:38 AM: I was thinking youtube also
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Post by: kv on September 28, 2006, 10:38:58 AM: I checked youtube first, and I didn't see it anywhere on there.

Apparently they're also going to run a weekly webcomic, giving insights into each show as they air them.

I wasn't that impressed, but apparently they got Jim Lee in on it. So now I have to check it out.

-kv
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Post by: swirler on September 28, 2006, 06:52:27 PM: they are gonna run the pilot either tonight or tomorrow on scifi
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Post by: Jester on September 29, 2006, 04:43:44 AM: really?! Gonna have to check that out
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on September 29, 2006, 09:15:36 AM: You'll be glad you did, Jester.

Gabriel
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Post by: swirler on September 30, 2006, 05:46:21 PM: we just watched it (dvr'd it last night)
very interesting
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Post by: Jester on October 02, 2006, 04:51:15 AM: I watched it friday. Man, this show is good. Can't wait to see it tonight. Still trying to figure out exactly what the strippers powers are. Something to dk with mirrors
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Post by: Gabriel on October 02, 2006, 10:22:53 AM: Well, I would be surprised if these super powers were typical comic book powers. Ok, maybe just the stripper's powers are a bit wierd, but I think it is a jeckel/hyde thing. She blacks out and her "mirror image" takes over for her. Of course, it leaves her to pick up the pieces of whtever her "twin" does. At least that is my theory. I'm really looking forward to seeing it tonight.

Gabriel
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Post by: kv on October 02, 2006, 12:59:59 PM: Yeah, we'll find out, because that video camera was on the whole time she was 'blacked out' and that means she has a record of what actually happens, whether she remembers it or not.

-kv
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Post by: Gabriel on October 02, 2006, 01:30:10 PM: I forgot about that. But did she take the camera with her? I don't think she did. Oh, and how long do you think it will take the cheerleader to go all "weapon X" and start wiping people out? I figure she is a prototype. I'm thinking Dark Angel here.

Gabriel
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Post by: kv on October 02, 2006, 03:13:06 PM: The Cheerleader? Imma thinking she's going to go the hero route, actually.

I mean, she knows she can't get hurt, and the first thing she does is run into the fire to see if it hurts her. But once she's there, she sees people need help, and she goes and helps them.

I wonder though- the guy who is her adopted 'Dad' is the same one that killed the indian scientist's father... so what's his angle?

If you want super-villians, I'm thinking it'll be Internet Stripper Mom and the Japanese Kid. (Hiro) I mean, with that much power, ANYONE could go a little crazy. ;D

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: mercy on October 03, 2006, 04:38:34 AM: I see her father more along the way geruuick from x men anti mutant
or the scienst that develped weapon x
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Post by: Jester on October 03, 2006, 05:01:30 AM: after last night I'm pretty sure her dad is one of the bad guys. And what about that freaky taking peoples brains deal? Wow. I don't see hiro being a bad guy, especially not after seeing what he saw yesterday. THAT was cool ;D
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on October 03, 2006, 11:06:27 AM: Yeah, but from the preview of the episode, they showed him concentrating and then a flash of light, so I thought he actually set off the bomb.

Of course, now maybe he dies, and that's why he's missing for five weeks.

-kv
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Post by: swirler on October 03, 2006, 01:05:11 PM: i forgot to set the dvr to tape it last night dang it!!
have to catch it friday
grrr

yeah i wanna know if cheery girls dad is a baddie or not
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on October 03, 2006, 01:11:27 PM: Oh, he totally is.

Apparently he's seen the tape of her trying out her powers over and over, and he's planning on killing her too.

I'm thinking he's not the serial killer, but he's an agent for some corporation that is trying to learn more about these super-people so they can experiment and make super-soldiers.

-kv
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Post by: mercy on October 03, 2006, 04:35:56 PM: or eleminate them becas they see them as a threat
to national security
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Post by: Jester on October 04, 2006, 04:54:11 AM: good theory both
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Post by: Gabriel on October 04, 2006, 10:48:33 AM: I'm with Kid_Vid on this one. I think he has known abotu the theory for a long time and purposefully set himself up to "father" one of the specials so he could have a bit of control and verification. I'm not sure if I think he's Syler, though. If Hiro jumped 5 weeks ahaed, then it would seem to everyone else as if he were missing. Then he shows up in NY and finds the precog (junky artist) dead, killed by Syler. So if Syler is not the agent, then he may connected with them somehow so that he can kill specials and eat their brains (or whatever). Or maybe Syler, with prolonged contact to Mohinder's father, found out about the other specials and wants to kill them, assuming they are more of a challenge. Of course, who knows why a serial killer really does what he does, but I think the maybe the Agent and the Killer are different people.

Of course, maybe Psycho Stripper's alter ego is the killer. I doubt it, but you never know. If she can blank out video/audio, then maybe she can change her voice ovet that medium and sound male. Too early to tell. I am looking forward to Hiro and the little boy teaming up. They seem like they would get along great.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on October 04, 2006, 03:21:39 PM: They even read the same comic book. ;D

Speaking of which, there are two segments of the online graphic novel availavle: Number One (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_001.shtml) and Number Two (http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/novel_002.shtml).

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on October 05, 2006, 06:17:53 AM: I know it's October and that is the month of horror and all, but I don't think I've ever seen anything as horrific as Hiro Ripping the cover off of Action Comics #1. Great Ghost! I almost screamed.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: swirler on October 05, 2006, 06:59:18 AM: yeah that sucks
atleast it wasnt an amazing fantasy 15 though
lol
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on October 05, 2006, 07:13:43 AM: Hey, desicration is desicration. That's really just the difference between raping a corpse and raping a corpse while you listen to the "Time Warp" in the background. :bob:

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: swirler on October 05, 2006, 07:50:08 AM: Quote from: Gabriel on October 05, 2006, 07:13:43 AM
Hey, desicration is desicration. That's really just the difference between raping a corpse and raping a corpse while you listen to the "Time Warp" in the background. :bob:

Gabriel
you disturb me
;D
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Post by: Gabriel on October 05, 2006, 08:44:04 AM: Hey now, chummer, at least I'm not a chain -smoking pixilated pig. ;)

Gabriel
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Post by: swirler on October 05, 2006, 08:52:18 AM: fine, i will go back to my original avvie
the creepy jester marionette!
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on October 05, 2006, 09:12:45 AM: Hey, if I was going to rip up Action Comics #1, it would be to make a crane at the Hiroshima memorial too, you have to give him that.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Zone on October 08, 2006, 10:32:29 AM: Hey I finally saw about five minutes of the show and have no idea what the hell was going on - not sure now if I shoud watch more or not.

Some Japanese guy was convinced he'd teleported himself to NY and then something htat looked damn like a nuclear strike then end of show.

To borrow from Ruski *shrug*
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Post by: Jester on October 09, 2006, 04:47:57 AM: you really need to see the first episode from the begining. If you miss one you're gonna be in trouble
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Post by: Gabriel on October 09, 2006, 09:38:03 AM: Hey Zone, if you go to NBC.Com, you can watch episode 1 & 2 full length. I HIGHLY reccomend it. Trust me on this one. I think you'll like it a lot.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on October 09, 2006, 11:02:47 AM: Yeah, there's some serious plotline going on, only part of which was the japanese guy who thought he transported to New York.

Apparently he was also five weeks in the future, and he did see a nuclear attack, the same attack the artist who's apartment he was in had seen in vision and painted on his floor.

-kv
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Post by: Gabriel on October 09, 2006, 12:25:22 PM: By the way, did anyone notice that the detectives mentioned that Sylar was only active on the west coast, yet the artist was killed the same way as the Sylar murders in New York?

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on October 09, 2006, 01:07:46 PM: Well, five weeks had passed since Hiro had been in Tokyo. Maybe in that time, Sylar had gone on a road trip.

Especially with three of these 'heroes' in New York, it seems like the place to be.

-kv
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Post by: Gabriel on October 09, 2006, 01:23:23 PM: Maybe. I was just wondering if anyone else caught that.

Gabriel
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Post by: kv on October 09, 2006, 02:11:24 PM: Yeah, I thought it was cool.

So, anyone have guesses to what the mysterious Sylar's powers might be?

Freezing?
Telekenisis?

And what on earth is he doing with those brains?

-kv
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Post by: AJStarhiker on October 09, 2006, 07:08:52 PM: Holy, crap, anyone else see the end of tonight's episode?

The cheerleader's gotta be freaking out. Almost raped by that football player, 'killed' in the struggle, and waking up on an autopsy table...with her chest still wide open.

She's gotta have an amazing immune system in addition to her regen, considering the number of open wounds she's had.
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Post by: Jester on October 10, 2006, 04:43:24 AM: no lie! her response was perfect!
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Post by: Gabriel on October 10, 2006, 05:16:48 AM: Does anyone else think that she is the most accident-proned person you've ever seen in your life? She's been "killed" 3 times in 3 weeks!!! Frag that! I am avoiding Odessa Texas if I can help it.

As for Sylar, I'm thinking he is a really fragged up version of Rogue. I think the reason he is killing the "specials" is to gain their powers. Think about it. He keeps targeting them, even when it is a major undertaking, like when he went after the little girl. I think she is a latent "special" and he was targeting her when he killed her parents. And when he gets one of them, he devours their brains so that he can absorb thier powers. I think it might be a bit of a clue that Claire was "dead" until the stick was removed from the base of her brain, thus letting her powers kick back in.

And has anyone else noticed that everyone's powers seem to have a balancing factor? Claire can regenerate from anything accept if it's damaging her brain/spinal cord. The brothers can fly, but so far have only done so when in close proximety. The hooker has an alter ego, who seems to be a murdering psychopath. The artist can tap into the future, but only when he's smacked up. Hiro, well, maybe his litting factor is that he is pretty much useless other than his powers, but I think we will see his balance sooner or later.

Oh, and by show of hands, who think's the doctor's "neighbor" is a spy for Claire's dad???

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on October 10, 2006, 06:38:39 PM: Unless it *is* Claire's dad.

And as for her being accident prone...well think about it. If you knew you do as much damage as you wanted to yourself and walk away without a scratch, you'd probably start becoming less concerned with your own safety.
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Post by: Gabriel on October 11, 2006, 05:16:44 AM: Well yeah, but there's a limit. I mean reaching for the calss ring in the garbage disposale I can see, but having your neck broken by a football player and then "dieing" a week later in a date-rape? Come on now, I bet somewhere the Grim Reaper is getting really PISSED. (http://members.cox.net/gwire/Smiley - Skull.gif)

Gabriel
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Post by: kv on October 11, 2006, 09:25:02 AM: I picture him as my mom, walking into a room and saying "Oh, come ON! I was just in here! This place was clean five minutes ago!"

-kv
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Post by: Gabriel on October 11, 2006, 10:14:32 AM: LOL! You get a karma for that one, chummer.

Gabriel
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Post by: kv on October 11, 2006, 01:49:21 PM: Thanks, omae.

-kv
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Post by: Jester on October 12, 2006, 05:00:01 AM: well, the show is only 3 weeks old. could still be a little early for speculation
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Post by: Gabriel on October 12, 2006, 06:49:00 AM: You can say that again. Oh, wait. You did. ;)

Gabriel
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Post by: swirler on October 13, 2006, 09:02:45 AM: Quote from: AJStarhiker on October 10, 2006, 06:38:39 PM
If you knew you do as much damage as you wanted to yourself and walk away without a scratch, you'd probably start becoming less concerned with your own safety.
no way, well maybe if it stopped being painfull. cause pain still hurts even when you regen (in most characters anyway)
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Post by: kv on October 13, 2006, 09:30:24 AM: I don't know about that... cause she didn't even notice her ribs sticking out of her side...
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Post by: ROOTless on October 13, 2006, 10:02:54 AM: So, she has an 'always on' pain editor, big deal.
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Post by: swirler on October 13, 2006, 11:08:52 AM: well she had serious pain there and expected it, i doubt there is much difference (to someone who hasnt had alot of damage of the same type over and over) between a gashed side and ribs out gashed side
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Post by: Gabriel on October 13, 2006, 01:23:39 PM: I would think the "ribs out" version would be a bit more painful.

Gabriel
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Post by: swirler on October 13, 2006, 03:50:05 PM: the thing is, atleast in my experience, there is a point where pain is pain and you dont notice more unless its in a new place or a different kind totally
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Post by: AJStarhiker on October 13, 2006, 09:26:28 PM: I'd agree to that. I had a bike accident once where I was in enough pain I didn't notice a second injury until about half an hour later, and a third about an hour after that.
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Post by: mercy on October 23, 2006, 04:46:36 PM: well black out girl isnt the seril killer and the seril killer is working with regen girls dad
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Post by: mercy on October 23, 2006, 06:06:56 PM: ok the two brothers only one can fly the other it would apear is able to duplacte the power of another gifted person in close proxycimty to him '
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Post by: Elena V on October 23, 2006, 09:37:59 PM: So. Anyone notice that the tattoo on Multiple Personality Lady's shoulder is the same as the pendant around the hollow-him-outer's neck?
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Post by: AJStarhiker on October 23, 2006, 11:28:58 PM: no, I hadn't. Maybe a Weapon X-type deal isn't that far off base.
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Post by: mercy on October 24, 2006, 02:38:58 AM: also tha tat only appears inalt id mode
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Post by: Gabriel on October 24, 2006, 05:09:27 AM: I noticed the tattoo come up when she goes all psycho, but didn't notice the pendant. That link might explain why the "bad guys" left her sleeping and only took the polatician. I hadn't thought of it earlier, but it make sense that he may have already gotten to her.

Also, the black guy is not the serial killer. Sylar is a white guy with a moustache. You can just see it if you look at the still image gallery on the web site.

Gabriel
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Post by: Jester on October 24, 2006, 05:15:07 AM: I didn't notice the tat thing, good eye. I'll have to keep a lookout for that next week
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Post by: kv on October 24, 2006, 07:00:50 AM: White guy with a moustache?

Hmmm... there go my theories about it being the blackout lady's husband.
Although apparently he has powers too- so it makes me wonder about the son...

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on October 24, 2006, 07:09:52 AM: Little boy = Forge. At least that's my theory.

Gabriel
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Post by: mercy on October 24, 2006, 07:10:42 AM: pysco ladys hubby is black
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Post by: Gabriel on October 24, 2006, 07:11:58 AM: And apparently he can phase. I'd love to have that power.

Gabriel
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Post by: mercy on October 24, 2006, 07:31:05 AM: the polition brother appers to be able to tap into other ppls powers
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Post by: Gabriel on October 24, 2006, 01:32:25 PM: Can we sat Synch? Or was I the only one who ever read Generation X?

Gabriel
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Post by: Jester on October 25, 2006, 05:12:41 AM: you were probably the only one
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Post by: Gabriel on October 25, 2006, 05:28:52 AM: Yeah.... I know... ???

Gabriel
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Post by: kv on October 25, 2006, 09:10:24 AM: Hey, it's not my fault. I think Marvle should stick to overhauling one comic about a group of superheroes at a time. You don't revamp all three comics about the Fantastic 4 at the same time- it's confuzzling drek!

Even moreso when they do all fifteen xmen comics! I mean, You have Joss Whedon writing one, and a guy who draws like Jim Lee doing another... how do I choose which ones I read?

-kv
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Post by: AJStarhiker on October 25, 2006, 08:36:02 PM: Quote
And apparently he can phase. I'd love to have that power.

Yeah, me too.

Quote
Can we sat Synch? Or was I the only one who ever read Generation X?

Didn't read much Gen X, but I have read enough fanfics that mention him to know who he was.
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Post by: Gabriel on October 26, 2006, 05:35:30 AM: Personally I think there are almost no original super powers left out there. So no matter what you come up with, chances are someone has already created a hero who's got that power.

Gabriel
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Post by: kv on October 26, 2006, 11:46:55 AM: Yeah, people have had a pretty wide range of powers, but I'm interested in re-writing of things we take for granted- I especially liked "Red Son," where Superman was a communist just because his shuttle crashed on earth 12 hours later, and he was raised on a commune by russian communists.

I loved Batman: Year One. It's probably the best comic book I've ever read, because it made me examine Batman's character, where he was coming from, and why he acts the way he does. I also liked the recent storyline where Batman and Superman were taken and raised by time-travellers who killed the people who most affected thier lives, and Batman and Superman became super-villians. Wonderwoman actually led the attack to try and kill them both.

There are still millions upon millions of permutations of those storylines- what if Superman had married Lana Lang, and stayed in Smallville, only to find his destiny later? What if because there was no superman, all the other heroes died, leaving him the last of the heroes?

Oh, if you want a good read, pick up "Wanted," Gabe. It's a book about what the world would be like if all the superheroes were killed- so everyone with powers is a supervillian. Awesome, awesome book.

-kv
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Post by: AJStarhiker on October 26, 2006, 09:14:25 PM: Marvel's also been releasing more AU books.
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Post by: mercy on October 27, 2006, 02:29:51 AM: while back read a pretty good seris of books called the wild card seris each book was writen by like 12 arthors each writing from the prospective of one charter then it was edited into one book
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Post by: Gabriel on October 27, 2006, 06:25:18 AM: That sounds like some interesting reading, Mercy and Kid_Vid. I may very well have to pick those up. If you want to see what would happenif you had "heroes" who didn't really have the Golden Age code of morals and conduct, pick up any of the Authority books. They are all hard-core comics with some pretty interesting ideas. Like, what if Superman and Batman were gay lovers? What if Wonderwoman was a big slut? Things like that. But aside from all that, the comics are pretty interesting, especially if you want a comic with a much more "real world" feel to the characters and motivations. Again, these are adult-oriented comics, although there is no nudity or sex, it is still pretty rough.

Gabriel
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Post by: mercy on October 27, 2006, 09:14:11 PM: the wild card premise is aliens released a virus over earth either you ramined normal or got delt a Ace joker or queen of spades if you got a ace you developed verious superpowers that dintnt mustate you visably jokers were mutated visablely and you can guess what happen to thoose that drew the queen of spades
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Post by: kv on October 29, 2006, 11:00:53 PM: I have no idea what you were saying, other than I'm supposed to guess what happens when you draw the queen of spades... ?

-kv
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Post by: mercy on October 30, 2006, 05:09:54 AM: the queen of spades commonly know as thw the death card
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Post by: Gabriel on October 30, 2006, 05:54:18 AM: Really?? I just thought she was some royal bim who liked to hang out with clubs, diamonds, and hearts. :-\Well, shows what I know about cards. And superheroes.

Gabriel
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Post by: Elena V on October 30, 2006, 08:39:23 AM: I always thought the Ace of Spades was the death card? Bill Hickock was holding Aces and Eights when he was killed.
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Post by: Gabriel on October 30, 2006, 10:10:40 AM: Well, historical accounts of that hand vary somewhat. I have heard that he was holding 3 aces and 2 eights. I've also heard that his hand was actually a pair of aces, a pair of 8's and a 2. Of course, I bet Hiro could find out. ;)

Gabriel
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Post by: kv on October 30, 2006, 10:18:19 AM: Well, Hiro's fictonal transportational power aside, I heard that it was two aces and three eights.

-kv
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Post by: Gabriel on October 30, 2006, 10:40:38 AM: Again, see what I'm saying? Of course it's not really important, but it still sounds cool: Dead Man's Hand.

Gabriel
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Post by: kv on October 30, 2006, 11:11:23 AM: (from Wikipedia)
On August 2, 1876, while playing poker at Nuttal & Mann's "Saloon No. 10" in Deadwood (then part of the Dakota Territory but on Indian land), Hickok could not find an empty seat in the corner, where he always sat in order to protect himself against sneak attacks from behind, and instead sat with his back to the door; unfortunately, his previous caution proved wise, as he was shot in the back of the head with a .45-caliber revolver by Jack McCall. Legend has it that Hickok's hand in poker was a Pair of Aces, and a pair of Eights, with the fifth card disputed. The fifth card was either unknown, or some say that it was not dealt yet, and the game was interrupted by Hickok getting shot.

The motive for the killing is still debated. McCall may have been paid for the deed, it may have just been the result of a recent dispute. But most likely, McCall, in a drunken rage, became enraged over what he perceived as a condescending offer from Hickok to let him have enough money for breakfast after he had lost all his money playing poker the previous day. McCall claimed at the resulting two-hour trial (by a motley group of assembled miners and businessmen) that he was avenging Hickok's earlier slaying of his brother and was acquitted, resulting in the Black Hills Pioneer editorializing:

"Should it ever be our misfortune to kill a man ... we would simply ask that our trial may take place in some of the mining camps of these hills"

McCall was subsequently rearrested after bragging about his deed, and a new trial was held. The authorities did not consider this to be double jeopardy because Deadwood at the time was an illegal city due to several laws that made it against the law to settle on Indian land, although many people did anyway. The new trial was held in American territory, in Yankton, South Dakota. Hickok's brother, Lorenzo Butler Hickok, traveled from Illinois to attend the retrial. This time McCall was found guilty and hanged. After his execution it was determined that McCall had never even had a brother.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on October 31, 2006, 09:12:43 AM: Anyway, speaking of heroes, was it just me, or was the hot stripper mom revealed to be a villian?

Was she killed, or what?

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on October 31, 2006, 10:27:57 AM: You know, I think the "stripper" might be the alternate personality. If Mr. Glasses has already messed with her (and her tattoo seems to point to that) then the memory-erasing guy he runs with may have programmed in the "mild mannered" personality as a better alibi for the alternate personality a.k.a. Nikki. And I don't think she's dead, but I love the Vision-esque trick of partially solidifying a hand inside her chest. Or maybe he squeezed her heart until it stopped. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Oh, and as for Mohender's neighbor, all I have to say is I TOLD YOU SO!!!! I knew that little slitch was a spy. I hope she gets her head blown off.

Anyway, i can't wait to see the next episode.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on October 31, 2006, 12:28:04 PM: hahahah... and Hiro wants a sword now. ;D

That's the coolest paradox loop that I've ever heard of. :D
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on October 31, 2006, 12:34:12 PM: No kidding. "I had a sword!"

An what about the whole thing with the cheerleader's 'biological' parents? How much you want to bet they're collegues of or paid off by Glasses?
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on October 31, 2006, 12:36:58 PM: Well, they did say as much on the walk out to thier car.

Apparently Sylar isn't allied with glasses, though- he wants Isaac (the junkie claravoiant) under observation, and Sylar wanted to eat his brain.

Is anyone else reading the webcomics for this show?

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on October 31, 2006, 12:38:13 PM: No, but that's because I forget to check the site when I'm online.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: swirler on October 31, 2006, 12:57:37 PM: yeah i knew the neighbor was a spy too
I kept hopin she wasnt but I freakin knew it

to me as for the DL phasing thing
looked like he went into her stomach and came out the top of her chest and grabbed her throat

I think he just sent her into shock or "put a sleeper" on her
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on October 31, 2006, 01:19:43 PM: You know, I thought it was his other hand choking her, but I like your idea much better. And I think you may be right about her being in shock. I seriously doubt we've seen the last of Little Sally Psycho Stripper.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on October 31, 2006, 03:16:47 PM: Yeah, but you don't know that.

I mean, the forums at NBC are full of people who are like: "You can't kill her! I like her!" but... why not kill her? It makes for good plot device, and it's not something people will expect.

Like, if they get to New York, and aren't able to save the Cheerleader, and everything goes wrong anyway?

Of course, with Hiro's do-over, then it won't matter, but it's a cool thought. The best writing on TV (or in movies) is the stuff you never see coming.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 01, 2006, 04:56:25 AM: his hand did go all the way through to choke her. I like the charecter but I agree with KV, if she'd dead it would be great for the plot. And I guess I was the only one who didn't see mohinder's neighbor being a spy. And Hiro is quickly becoming my favorite charecter. Can't wait to see what happens next week when the cheerleaders brother finds out about her.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 01, 2006, 05:27:40 AM: Well, Kid_Vid, you have a point, and I won't argue that with you a bit. I agree that unexpected plot twists can really make for god writing, but I still don't think they are going to kill her. The only real reasoning I have here is that she is: a) hot, which gets the lonley nerd demographic, b) featured so prominently in all of the media relating to the show, and c) glasses needs more "bad guys" on his side.

As for Eden being a spy, don't worry, Jester, my girlfriend didn't believe me either. She said I was paranoid.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: swirler on November 01, 2006, 07:34:40 AM: heh my gf didnt see it either
I keep wondering if the glasses guy isnt gonna turn out to be not as evil as he appears.

ugg
I have to wait untilt he rebroadcast on scifi friday to see the very end, for some reason the show was long or something and the dvr cut it off as the chick asked the artist if he was Miguel or whatever his name is

grrrr
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 01, 2006, 05:57:08 PM: Yeah, so did mine. One of the few reasons I prefer vcr: set it a couple minutes early to a couple minutes after, you don't have to worry about it cutting something off.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 02, 2006, 05:21:34 AM: I thought that thing ran a bit longer. In fact, they even said, "Stay tuned for more Heroes." and I thought they were showing a second episode, but it was just that extra few minutes.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 02, 2006, 05:48:15 AM: didn't notice. About glasses, I don't think he's a "bad guy". He's part of a government agency designed to cover up and contain any mutant activity. If that means some people have to die, so be it. I absolutly believe that he is not working with Syler. In fact it's possible he's trying to stop him also. Glasses is one of those misunderstood red herring charecters. I could be wrong, but that's my opinion
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 02, 2006, 07:12:28 AM: I don't know, Jester, I think the guy is pretty evil, but you may be right that he may not be a "bad guy" per se. After all, you don't have to be a "good guy" to work for a good cause, you just have to have the same goals in mind.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: swirler on November 02, 2006, 08:31:16 AM: Quote from: AJStarhiker on November 01, 2006, 05:57:08 PM
Yeah, so did mine. One of the few reasons I prefer vcr: set it a couple minutes early to a couple minutes after, you don't have to worry about it cutting something off.
yup
its just such a pain in the arse to use a vcr anymore
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 02, 2006, 06:32:51 PM: I didn't say I used one, just that that's one of the few things I miss.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 03, 2006, 04:46:00 AM: Imjusr watch it when it comes on ;D
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 03, 2006, 05:16:08 AM: Quote from: Jester on November 03, 2006, 04:46:00 AM
Imjusr watch it when it comes on ;D

Um.... What?

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: swirler on November 03, 2006, 11:35:10 AM: Quote from: AJStarhiker on November 02, 2006, 06:32:51 PM
I didn't say I used one, just that that's one of the few things I miss.
funny thing was several days back I mentioned to my gf that I missed being able to do that
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 03, 2006, 11:42:38 AM: So you can't do that on a DVR? Why not?

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 03, 2006, 01:39:21 PM: Actually. you can. You set it to record for five extra minutes (either start early or end late... or hell... both), b ut basically it's a way for the networks to make sure that you watch all of the show, so you don't miss stuff like that.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 03, 2006, 07:48:45 PM: well, I have to share the tivo with my brother and parents. Fortunately, except for some of the animated shows, my brother and I mostly have similar tastes. My parents don't really use it as much.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 04, 2006, 04:45:20 AM: Quote from: Gabriel on November 03, 2006, 05:16:08 AM
Quote from: Jester on November 03, 2006, 04:46:00 AM
Imjusr watch it when it comes on ;D

Um.... What?

Gabriel
I said, I just watch it when it comes out
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 04, 2006, 08:08:32 AM: Jester, I think you are hanging out with Mercy and Me too much. our typing deficiancies are rubbing off on you.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 05, 2006, 04:41:16 AM: problem is I usually check this site about 10-15 mins after I've woken up, so my typing tends to be a bit off more than usual
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 05, 2006, 07:59:18 AM: Well THAT would certainly do it. And damn since you check it after you wake up, and I check it from the office in the morning, all I can say is: I wish I had your work hours, chummer.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 05, 2006, 09:09:35 AM: I don't tend to get online unless I'm a) the only one home or b) the only one awake.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 06, 2006, 04:46:26 AM: damn, I can't do that. Glad I've got my own computer in my room
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 06, 2006, 07:12:52 PM: the fraggen kid is forge!
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 06, 2006, 11:15:12 PM: Dude, you called it. Or... well, someone did.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 07, 2006, 04:35:10 AM: I think that was Gabe
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 07, 2006, 05:27:23 AM: Yep, that was me. Way back at the beginning. I do like how he knows when it's Nikki and when it's Jesse talking to him from his mom's body. Kind of cool.

And you know, I think I know how New York gets taken out now. Sylar gets access to Glasses' files. He starts tracking down all of the "specials" that Glasses has "cataloged" and finally gets to Mr. Radiation. Then when he chopps the cobber's head open...BOOM!!!!!!!!
(http://members.cox.net/gwire/Smiley - Explode.gif)

And in case anyone missed it, both the cop and Mr. Radiation have the same double hash mark tattoo on there shoulder/neck area. Looks as if they've both been picked up by Glasses at least once. I'm wondering how many others have the mark.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 07, 2006, 11:05:50 AM: yeah, but it's a different mark than the one Nikki has... so is the internet stripper a 'villian' and the two of them 'heroes?'

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 07, 2006, 11:18:46 AM: Actually, I have been thinking about it. I think the split double helix tattoo/necklace insignia may be for those "specials" who have been "recruited" or in some other fashion handled longer and more in depth. I think the cop and the h-bomb may have been catalogued, but not recruited yet.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 07, 2006, 12:02:01 PM: Well, it's just weird, because the double-mark that H-bomb and the Cop have could be encorporated into the larger tattoo that Stripper Mom has- it'd just need that stylized horizontal mark thang.

Maybe it's the level of saturation, so the Cop and H-bomb are just developing, so they're Mark 1, and Stripper Mom is fully developed, hence a Mark 2 (or 2 and 3... we have no way of knowing)
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 07, 2006, 12:36:36 PM: That suggests that the development of "specials" is controlled and monitored by someone. Glasses, maybe???

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 07, 2006, 08:55:50 PM: Well, we don't know for sure Glasses is the one who's actually in charge. For all we know, there's some political bigwig pulling the strings (Not Flyboy) and Glasses is the guy who does/organizes the dirty work.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 08, 2006, 04:42:02 AM: damn, all that makes sense. You guys are probably right
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 08, 2006, 05:21:30 AM: Personally, I'm wondering when we meet the King Pin. I mean the mob boss. Yeah, I'm sure he isn't a "special" or anything....

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: swirler on November 08, 2006, 07:45:35 AM: yeah ive been waiting to see him too
I noticed soemthing when I was watching it but totatally forgot what the heck it was now
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 08, 2006, 09:36:50 PM: Anybody know which painting it was that was taken from the artist's place and sold to the king pin? You know, the one Peter was trying to get back.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 09, 2006, 06:36:23 AM: Man, I've been trying to figure that out too. I can't remember
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 09, 2006, 10:43:09 AM: Not a clue. Although if you watch episode #1, I bet you will see it somewhere.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 09, 2006, 06:04:06 PM: Yeah, but unfortunately that ep's been deleted off TiVo.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 09, 2006, 07:19:51 PM: guess we'll have to wait
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 09, 2006, 08:33:43 PM: you know, it's probably in that comic Hiro brought back from the future. They just haven't shown that page yet.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 10, 2006, 06:38:08 AM: Well, if they ever get off their hoops and actually have the characters meet up, then they could see the picture when looking through the comic.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 11, 2006, 04:59:26 AM: Yea, they meet then leave. Cmon guys!
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 14, 2006, 06:42:52 AM: Did anyone else notice that in one of Isaac's paintings, that DL's car is the one exploding?

That blocky jeep-looking thing.

Oh, and what are guesses about where Hiro ended up?

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 15, 2006, 04:52:07 AM: well, I'll venture to guess that he ended up where he was supposed to but when is the question...
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 15, 2006, 05:09:03 AM: Here's my theory: Hiro goes back in time as normal and meets the waitress as he intended. They become frineds, at least briefly, and he sees her get killed by Sylar, who would easily know how to find her if he had been able to track her down once already. Hiro is unable to prevent it, and the trauma galvanizes him into starting to take his powers and responsebilities seriously. He goes a long way to losing his romantic notions of being a comic book hero.

Meanwhile, it looks like Peter is able to track down Clare and is with her when Sylar attcks. I'm thinking that Hiro will miss this confrontation. So you have two "mimic" characters at odds with one another. If Sylar is able to kill Peter and take his powers, he will be able to mimic "specials" without eating their brains. This will give him LOTS of power since he would gain the benefit of extra powers without having to chance killing his victims. He would become more flexible in his terror. And if he does gain Peter's powers, then he could easily be the one who explodes in New York (losing control of what's-his-name's nuclear powers).

I doubt next week will be the climax of the season, but it's pretty obvious that it will be pivotal.

Oh, and Kid_Vid mentioned DL's SUV in the exploding picture. Did anyone notice Nikki/Jessica walking through the desert with a machine gun equipped with a grenade launcher? Well, looks like we know who blows up the SUV, although killing someone who can phase would still be pretty damn tough.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 15, 2006, 10:50:09 AM: Wow... I didn't see anything about a machine gun... I might have to go sit in front of Tivo and watch it again...

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 15, 2006, 11:38:45 AM: Big badda-boom.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 15, 2006, 08:12:47 PM: For some reason, ours didn't record monday, so I missed.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 16, 2006, 05:13:54 AM: see, I can't pay that much attention to the background. I'm too busy focusing in on the story
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 16, 2006, 05:21:21 AM: Yeah, but in this show the background IS the story. That's what I love about it, you can get as in-depth as you like and you still enjoy the show. So someone like me, who ran WAY too many Shadowrun games, can really get into the double-dealing, conspiracy theory, minutia of the plot, whereas my girlfriend can just sit there and enjoy the show. Well, enjoy the show once she stops making fun of how much of a geek I am the I watch the show. ;)

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 16, 2006, 08:10:26 AM: If you miss the show, you can:
1) Catch the 'two minute replay' on NBC.com
2) Check the image source, which has pictures from the show, as well as some explanation.
3) Uhhh... just watch the full show on NBC.com. Seriously. They host it for about a week.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 16, 2006, 10:11:22 AM: don't have the time. This week I'm trying to a)work, b) get stuff done for classes, and c) pack for a week and a half long trip.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 16, 2006, 10:52:40 AM: Then check at the SciFi channel web sight. They play the episodes one week after they air on NBC, but I forget just when. So find it and set the Tivo accordingly.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 16, 2006, 12:09:03 PM: Oh, but make sure to set it to record for five extra minutes... cause... son of a bitch. I keep missing the last few minutes!!! >:/

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 17, 2006, 12:13:52 AM: I'll be out of town monday.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 17, 2006, 04:44:08 AM: how about you tube?
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 17, 2006, 05:16:03 AM: I think I've figured out the "Save the cheerleader. Save the world." comment. If Syar is really stealing powers by killing the "specials" then he could gain Clare's healing factor if he kills her, Monday. Now a buddy of mine told me yesterday that he thinks the date on the newspaper Hiro read in episode 2 was November 20th, which is the show's next air date, and the episode where Sylar, Clare, and Peter meet. So if Sylar get's Clare's powers, he coudl easily appraoch the nuclear guy and survive the massive radiation, thus getting close enought to kill him and set off the explosion. However, if he can't get Clare's healing factor, then the nuclear guy may be able to kill Sylar by just being in proximety to him when Sylar tries to eat his brain.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 17, 2006, 11:55:34 AM: Huh... weird. But five weeks haven't passed in the show... have they?

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 17, 2006, 05:21:00 PM: I don't think so. I can't remember, did that one painting show where Claire's supposed to be killed?
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: mercy on November 18, 2006, 10:49:52 PM: yhea at the football stadium
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 19, 2006, 05:24:49 AM: during homecoming
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 20, 2006, 10:21:10 AM: Yeah, that same place where she met the quarterback when she co-opted him.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 21, 2006, 04:49:43 AM: all the hype about yesterday's episode and it was rather anti climactic
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 21, 2006, 11:09:14 AM: I think Gabe was right on about the healing power and the inferno-guy.

Isaac's picture was of the nuke-guy, which I thought was awesome, and probably wouldn't have caught if Gabe hadn't said something.

Oh, and I REALLY want to see what Hiro gets up to in the past. :D

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: swirler on November 21, 2006, 12:17:58 PM: Heroes was on yesterday?
all we got on the dvr was the 6pm re-air from last week
dammit!!
have to catch it friday on scifi
grrr
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 22, 2006, 05:02:21 AM: yea, and another new one comes on next monday too. gotta be getting close to the fall finale.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 22, 2006, 06:34:35 PM: I gotta admit, I'm loving this show.

I love that because Peter went out of his way to help rescue Claire, none of the paintings were accurate- even the one where he died was off, because he took Sylar off the roof with him.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 23, 2006, 05:41:26 AM: that painting was accurate. If you had noticed they showed him just like the painting after Sylar had booked
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 23, 2006, 10:36:48 AM: Nope- in the painting his own legs were bent up, and in real life, not only were his own legs bent up, but Sylar was tangled up in them.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 23, 2006, 03:44:17 PM: guess I'll have to take your word for it :)
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 23, 2006, 11:45:03 PM: Well, I'll watch it again on Tivo, but I'm pretty sure all of them were different. I'll double check, though.

Just for you, J-Dogg!

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 24, 2006, 04:41:23 AM: YOU MY BOY KV!
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: mercy on November 25, 2006, 02:30:33 AM: this wesnday thier showing the frist 6 episiodes of hero on scifi
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 25, 2006, 05:01:05 AM: yea, I heard that too
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 27, 2006, 10:43:34 AM: Alright, I just went downstairs and double-checked, and I think I was right- when Peter looks at the picture of the painting that Simone gives him, the clock reads 8:12 and he's lying there alone- when he falls from the top of thos steps with Sylar, they're both lying there when the clock strikes 8:12. When Claire comes down at 8:14, Sylar is already gone, and Peter wakes up.

Then Peter gets arrested. Stupid cops. "Oh, we tested the blood that was all over you, and apparently it was yours. Sorry about that."

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 28, 2006, 04:55:10 AM: lol, and from the preview from next week it looks like clair sticks up for him
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 28, 2006, 05:59:03 AM: Well, back from the holidays and I only have one thing to say: Sylar's reel name is GABRIEL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Tremble before the awsome might of Gabriel the Mutant Serial Killer!!!!
(http://members.cox.net/gwire/Smily - Fire Devil.gif)

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 28, 2006, 08:58:14 AM: You know, I couldn't think of a name better suited to him, though.

What's with his "Brains are clocks I must fix them!" obsession, though? I mean, how does he get thier powers? Did he give himself a brain clot, or something?

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 28, 2006, 01:23:18 PM: I've got that figured out. He has a power related to system analysis. Think about it. If he can look at a system, any system, and see how it works, and then be able to alter that system so taht it works in another way, in essence "fising" it, then he can open up someone's brain, see how it works, and then reconfigure his own to work the same way. So Sylar (or do I mean Gabriel, hehehehehe) gets his hands on this guy with TK and frags him up, then "fixes" his own brain so that he is special (and not the boring, mundane clock-maker) like his victim. Then he is no longer this putz that no one cares about. He is now special. But he wants to be "all he can be", so he tracks down another special person and "upgrades" himself, all the while believing that he is fixxing a flaw in himself. As this progresses, he gets more and more powerfull.

My only question is: how is he going to kill the Hatian? You know he'll have to if he wants to escaped Mr. Bennet's custody.

Gabriel (or was that Sylear???)
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 28, 2006, 01:30:06 PM: I'm curious what Mr. Bennet's powers are (glasses- but he's strangely resistant to suggestion), and what the Hatian's powers are. I'm still not convinced that their organization is 'good,' but I'm seeing his side of things more now.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 28, 2006, 01:34:03 PM: I think the reason that Mr. Bennet is resistant to powers is the Hatian doing it. I think he can influence a person's ability to use his mind, thus effectively blocking that person's powers at the source. I think if Big Hatian Cobber is taken down, then Sylar is going to be able to take out the rest.

Sylar
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 28, 2006, 01:43:49 PM: I think maybe the Hatian just makes people forget, so if the Suggestion Chick says something to Bennet, then the Hatian makes him forget, and things work themselves out (he continues as if nothing had happened)

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: mercy on November 28, 2006, 04:23:04 PM: I think the hatian has the nemises power from marvel basicly it counters any power used near him
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 28, 2006, 09:41:03 PM: I know Leech (From Marvel) negates mutant powers, but I'm not as familiar with nemises.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 29, 2006, 05:08:02 AM: so, it pretty much sounds like everyone thinks the hatian is the one that's going to die next week
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 29, 2006, 05:11:30 AM: Well, not neccessarily, but I do think Sylar is going to have to take him out. Of course, if the show defines "Hero" as anyone with powers, then who knows. If not, my money is on Nathan.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 29, 2006, 09:01:37 AM: While I like the Petrellis, I don't know how important they're going to be in the series as a whole. I'm actually kind of curious if Flyer is still going to win the election- his brother being in jail in texas and charged with all the murders Sylar committed... that might just shoot his senate dreams.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 29, 2006, 09:34:30 AM: Well if you think about it, there are only 3 real heroes in the series: Claire, Peter, & Hiro. They are the only ones who have shown a desire to help others in a selfless way. All of the rest are just people with special powers.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 29, 2006, 10:17:38 AM: I would count Mohinder and his Dad as heroes, too- although they don't have any powers, they're giving up everything to pursue what they know is right, and doing amazing things.

You don't have to have powers to be a hero.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: mercy on November 29, 2006, 08:47:45 PM: if mohjdian is the indean he does have a power he is a postcognitive
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 30, 2006, 05:08:58 AM: Quote from: Kid_Vid on November 29, 2006, 10:17:38 AM
I would count Mohinder and his Dad as heroes, too- although they don't have any powers, they're giving up everything to pursue what they know is right, and doing amazing things.

You don't have to have powers to be a hero.

-kv

Good point. Of course Mohinder's dad is dead, but hey, I'm not counting that. ;)

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 30, 2006, 05:20:51 AM: I'd count the con as one too. he did try and help the people out of the car. Only reason he's running is because he got framed.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 30, 2006, 05:25:33 PM: Hard to say with the kid, though. He seems more interested in his family being together, though.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: mercy on November 30, 2006, 06:07:54 PM: Quote from: Gabriel on November 30, 2006, 05:08:58 AM
Quote from: Kid_Vid on November 29, 2006, 10:17:38 AM
I would count Mohinder and his Dad as heroes, too- although they don't have any powers, they're giving up everything to pursue what they know is right, and doing amazing things.

You don't have to have powers to be a hero.

-kv

Good point. Of course Mohinder's dad is dead, but hey, I'm not counting that. ;)

Gabriel

but Mohinder does have a power the abilty to see into the past
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on November 30, 2006, 07:28:52 PM: Ability to see into the past?
Wasn't that from the kid with the soccer ball?

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: mercy on November 30, 2006, 09:12:59 PM: nope the kid is a projection in his mine
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on November 30, 2006, 09:37:57 PM: But I thought there were others who saw the soccer ball kid.

Anyway, the kid I was talking about was Micah, the tech wiz. (I'd forgotten his name last post.)
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on December 01, 2006, 04:54:56 AM: from what I understand everything mohinder saw was from the kid with the soccer ball, not him
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on December 01, 2006, 05:13:21 AM: That's right, the soccer kid is real. The guy in the bazzar charged Mohinder 500 denirs to show him where he was. And the fat guy with glasses, Mohinder's "freind", said the exact same thing about the kid being a projection of his ubconcious to both Mohinder and Seresh. He ever said it word perfect. So my question is, who the hell is the fat guy with glasses working for??

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on December 02, 2006, 06:29:41 AM: damn, good call gabe. I never thought of that
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on December 02, 2006, 02:34:23 PM: Yeah, and now that I think about it, that's the same guy who tried to convince them they were crazy for looking for the Specials.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on December 03, 2006, 10:51:26 AM: Looks like there is a bit more of the government's web to look out for. So I wonder how long the varios governments of the world, or even just the US (although that seems a bit too convinient) have known about the "specials" before Dr. Seresh did his own research?

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on December 06, 2006, 04:56:43 AM: Told you he'd break out of the holding cell.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on December 06, 2006, 05:08:37 AM: yep, and the cute girl who's very "convincing" is the one who bit it
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on December 06, 2006, 06:56:09 AM: I never liked her. And I figured she would be the one to get it when she suggested walking in the room and taking Sylar out in the first place. If you noted, when she and the Hatian took him down in Texas, he seemed to be resisting her commands as she gave them. Of course, it's interesting to see that the Hatian has a range. Did you notice that Sylar broke out when the Hatian was fraggin' with Cliare? And that Peter seemed to be unable to copy her healing factor while they were talking at the jail? The Hatian was at the jail with "glasses" so no one's powers were working.

Of course, now that I think about it, Glasses said to Sylar that none of the others were able to exibit more than one power a piece. So if the Hatian isn't the power sink (and only the brain-bender) then maybe Glasses really is a "special" himelf.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on December 06, 2006, 07:10:44 AM: You know, now that you mention it, wasn't one of the goons that went after Peter's brother in Las Vegas the Haitian? and the brother was able to fly away, so maybe you got something there.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on December 06, 2006, 08:15:35 AM: Yeah, but it was both Glasses and the Hatian. The Hatian has been there every time Glasses has been in contact with a "special." But maybe he has to be concentrating to use his power, it may not be on all the time. Either that, or he let Nathan fly away. In which case, the question is why? After Monday's episode, you have to ask, just what is the Hatian's agenda?

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on December 06, 2006, 10:44:49 AM: Yeah- but it seemed like Glasses was a good guy for a while there, so now you have to wonder what his agenda is. I mean, if Claire is safe, why mind wipe her? Wouldn't she be safer knowing than not knowing?

Oh, and the Hatian CAN talk?!?!?!? What's up with that?

The thing I'm really wondering about- how does Peter end up exploding? I mean, we know he can steal other people's powers, but usually only to minor effects, and he usually has pretty good control- he didn't just shoot into the stratosphere when he absorbed Nathan's powers, and he didn't get migraines and pass out like the Policeman.

So I'm wondering- if maybe his vision was in Radiation guy's place, and Peter doesn't go back to New York, so incidently, the one guy who can counter this guy's power is the one who stays away because he's afraid he causes it.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on December 06, 2006, 01:02:37 PM: Maybe. I like that theory.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on December 06, 2006, 07:35:08 PM: Actually, Peter did get a headache. Remember, at the beginning of the interrogation, the cop set the bottle of painkillers on the table for Peter. Then, when he tried to read Peter, it caused some kind of feedback that knocked both of them for a loop.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on December 06, 2006, 11:33:41 PM: Yeah, but not to the point where he passed out, like the Policeman did in the store, or in the bar.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on December 07, 2006, 06:58:21 AM: The bar was a drugging. And the Hatian and Glasses were not at the PD at that point. They only arrived later on AFTER Peter had given them Claire's name.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on December 07, 2006, 11:06:27 AM: If the bar was a drugging, then why did he pass out in the convinience store?

Similar incidents- he gets times when he can't control it, when there are too many people around, all thinking, and he can't block anything out, and then he passes out.

If he was drugged the time with the Hatian, who drugged him the time he was in the drug store?

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on December 08, 2006, 05:09:32 AM: He was drugged in the bar. If you remember, when he talked to nuke-boy, nuke-boy described the same thing: having a drink and passing out. I mean we all know how easy it is to bribe a bartender to slip someone a mickey fin, or even do it yourself when no one's looking.

As for the passing out from too much noise, that seems to me like and isolated incident. It would be pretty easy to be overwhelmed by the noise, of a dozen pissed off and agitated people, but passing out from about 7 mellow drunks? I don't think that would be enought to tumble this guy over. And besides, that would be a HELL of a coincidence if the Hatian was just tooling around waiting for this guy to pass out.

Now, what's going to happen when Peter gets around the Hatian? Will he be able to unlock the memories the Hatian is messing with? Are those memories erased or just surpressed? Makes me wonder.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on February 22, 2007, 07:24:00 AM: So, anybody else still watching? It looks like people are starting to figure things out and sort themselves into groups.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on February 22, 2007, 10:06:53 AM: Yeah, I think it's funny that the mom is now a bad guy. She tored that dude in half! Which I guess makes Mr. Linderman the evil genius, even though Sylar is the one killing other 'specials.'

And then Stan Lee showed up to chat with Hiro!

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 22, 2007, 01:25:54 PM: Like any of us would STOP watching this. I'm waiting until next week. I can't wait to see Ted loose it in Mr. Bennet's house. Gotta love a nuclear house guest.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on February 22, 2007, 04:37:43 PM: hahahaha... you know what I think will set him off? Knowing that Bennet didn't do that to him- that it was actually in his genetic code, so HE was the reason his wife died of cancer.

Of course, I'm interested to hear/see if everyone's questions get answered.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on February 22, 2007, 09:48:24 PM: And how about the revelation about Claire's biodad? I guessed completely wrong on that one.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on February 22, 2007, 10:11:14 PM: Yeah? I guessed right on that one, but this is written by Jeph Loeb, who is one of my favorite comic writers anyway. I wonder how Claude is going to fit into Bennet's flashbacks. (he was in half a second of the shot, when the announcer voices asks "Who does he really work for?")

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 23, 2007, 04:51:52 AM: I'm thinking we still won't find out his first name, or who he works for. And we won't find out anything really important either, just filler material/cliff-hanger stuff.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on February 23, 2007, 05:05:58 AM: wait, which one is claude?
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 23, 2007, 05:20:24 AM: I was kind of wondering that too.

So, when do you think Mohinder is going to get away from Sylar?

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on February 23, 2007, 08:43:28 AM: Claude is the "invisible man," the one who worked with Peter to control his powers. I think Mohinder is a little weirded out by "Zane," and will suspect something when Sylar keeps getting to these people right after Mohinder and Zane get there.

I watched the episode again last night, and I think Mohinder is already a little weirded out.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 23, 2007, 08:57:15 AM: I think he knows what is going on. The "headache" that "Zane" seems to have after meeting the mechanic is too coincidental. And further, I think Mohinder is goig to get away from Sylar by exploiting it. I think he'll end up blowing the car horn or screaming or something like that.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on February 23, 2007, 12:42:13 PM: You know, I wonder if Bennett is even the one guy's real name. Consider all the other lies and secrets he's got, it wouldn't suprise me one bit if it turns out to be an alias he uses as a cover.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 23, 2007, 12:47:48 PM: I could see it. OF course, people have suggested that he is also Mr. Linderman, so who knows.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on February 23, 2007, 05:46:18 PM: Have we even seen Linderman yet?
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on February 24, 2007, 02:13:19 AM: No, he hasn't been on the show at all yet, although they've pretty much constantly referenced him. I wouldn't be suprised if Bennet is really working for Linderman or soemthing.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on February 24, 2007, 08:13:03 AM: I was thinking along the lines of gabe that he might me linderman, but the way this show is going who knows. What I do know is that Nathan has a hit out on him now.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on February 24, 2007, 12:01:32 PM: Yeah, good luck trying to trap someone who can jump out a window and fly away. I think it's awesome that Peter has learned to use his powers. I wonder if he's gotten all of Sylar's powers, or just the telekinesis?

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on February 24, 2007, 10:53:49 PM: Maybe that's what'll cause him to go nuclear. I mean, the TK wasn't Syler's original power, just the first one he stole. Peter's probably got a whole bunch of powers he doesn't know about.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: APOCALYPSE on February 25, 2007, 12:17:11 AM: I finally learned about this show over here. I'm caught up on the current episode and I have a few ideas as well.

I'm thinking that Mr. Linderman is Mr. Bennet but it's hard to say. I'm almost thinking that he has some sort of power as well. I've noticed that Mr. Bennet gets around a lot but fairly quickly. If he was going by plane then it doesn't seem to add up exactly.

Any other thoughts?
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on February 25, 2007, 06:07:34 AM: it's really hard to say. Guess we'll just have to wait and see
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on February 25, 2007, 02:41:08 PM: Of course, with the show following so many characters, it's not easy figuring out exactly how much time is passing, either.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 26, 2007, 05:02:09 AM: I think they will keep Bennet powerless in the super heros sense of the word. It works so much better if the guy pulling the strings and having all the cards is a normal chump. It puts things more in perspective when you look at how it shakes down and underscores the fact that you don't have to be able to fly, or melt steel with your mind, or have a healing factor to be powerful.

As for Bennet being Linderman, I can certainly see it, after all, he has ties to nearly all of the "heroes". However, I think Linderman may end up being a seperate intety altogether. I was thinking about the season finale that will eventually get here and thinking it will NOT be a cliff-hanger, since a comic book story arc tends to end in the Climactic Battle and it occured to me that there may be an epilogue leading into the next season's story arc. If that's the case, then I think we will se Linderman in that episode, or maybe just hear a voice-over from him or something.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on February 26, 2007, 05:07:14 AM: if he's not bennet you can bet that he's gonna be a mutant
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 26, 2007, 08:22:34 AM: See, I don't think so. I think the guy is just apower broker. Besides, you can't have every character have powers, that would be really boring and VERY unrealistic within the terms of the show's logic.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on February 26, 2007, 08:59:58 AM: I think Linderman's power is to locate other "specials," because he doesn't have Suresh's List.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 27, 2007, 04:43:56 AM: Ok, ROOTless, I think you are the best qualified person to answer the following question: If Ted was going off as much as shown in the last episode, then wouldn't everyone in that house, except possibly Claire, have radiation sickness or at least cnacer now???

And what's with Hiro's dad working with Bennett? Is Hiro going to be turned over to the agency?

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on February 27, 2007, 05:01:40 AM: I was thinking the same thing, gabe. That was one hell of alotta RADS. But still, another holy drek episode :) And it looks like the cop will wind up working for the agency since he needs a job to support his family.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: mercy on February 27, 2007, 06:06:15 AM: yhea the ex cop will be blackmailed in to the job after he gets caught for the diamonds he took
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on February 27, 2007, 09:20:56 AM: I don't even know that they'll have to blackmail him- he and Bennett seem to get along okay anyway, and I think both of them have a reason to take down the place from the inside now.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 27, 2007, 11:53:48 AM: That might be interesting to see.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on February 27, 2007, 12:40:50 PM: I thought so.

I wonder if that was what the "save the cheerleader, save the world," thing was about.

No doubt, if Bennett had been killed, his company would have started wiping out the 'specials' because they were too dangerous.

Plus, if Peter had never gone there, he wouldn't have learned that he needed to control his powers.

I thought it was interesting (and awesome) that Claude was once in the company.

Did anyone else see Linderman in the previews for next week? Is he the Architect from the Matrix Reloaded?

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 27, 2007, 01:12:04 PM: You know, now that I think about it, maybe Claire wasn't who needed saving. If Peter went to save he, he would get her powers. Then, in his inevitable confrontation with Sylar, he would be able to deal with the damage he would take, maybe against Sylar's desintegration powers or TK scalple. So saving the cheerleader would lead to Peter saving the world.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on February 27, 2007, 08:58:34 PM: huh. interesting theory.

I'm wondering what Clair and the Haitian are going to do now. And just how much of Bennett's memories were erased. Was it just the past few days/weeks or was it all memories of her?
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: ROOTless on February 28, 2007, 12:10:47 AM: Quote from: Gabriel on February 27, 2007, 04:43:56 AM
Ok, ROOTless, I think you are the best qualified person to answer the following question:

Thanks for the vote of confidence, but since I don't have a TV-set, and even if I did, this show (to the best of my knowledge) doesn't run on a channel I could pick up, I don't really feel qualified to answer that.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on February 28, 2007, 12:20:05 AM: Bennet said "Anything that could lead them to her," so I'm thinking next time he sees her, he'll be a company man again.

I am curious about what's going to happen to Parkman.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 28, 2007, 04:51:18 AM: Hopefully Parkman will get shot in the face with a bazooka. For a telepath, that guy sure as hell doesn't know when to keep his fraggin' mouth shut. What's the good of reading everyone's thoughts if all he does is repeat them to the entire room whenever he hears them. Not too sneaky.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on February 28, 2007, 04:53:03 AM: god that's true, since the hatian is erasing his memory how in will parlman be?
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 28, 2007, 04:55:31 AM: The haitian is a rogue now. He won't have anything to do with Parkman.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on February 28, 2007, 04:58:10 AM: not the hatian, bennent. He was all on parkman's side. I see some bad treatment for him in the future
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 28, 2007, 05:22:30 AM: I see a body bag in his future.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: APOCALYPSE on February 28, 2007, 06:01:58 AM: I think the Haitian is working for somebody else. He did say something that he works for a higher power. I read the websites as well so I verified what I heard. I'm glad that I can stay current with downloads ;)
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on February 28, 2007, 07:00:17 AM: Yeah, I love the fact that you can catch this show on the internet. It makes it a lot easier to miss an episode this way when you know it can be cuaght up on the next day online.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on February 28, 2007, 08:29:28 PM: We have TiVo. The only problem is that my folks watch 24 in the same timeslot. Although, as my brother and I dominate that particular TV, it's set up for Heroes. And Mom isn't exactly the most adept with technology, so she has to request getting her show recorded ahead of time, so my brother and I can plan to watch Heroes live.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 01, 2007, 07:57:10 AM: So your power is being smarter at TIVO than your mom? Not bad, actually. ;)

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on March 02, 2007, 04:53:47 AM: lol, I like that.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on March 02, 2007, 10:40:44 PM: heh, it's not just TiVo, it's technology in general. She still has trouble with the concept of click-and-drag.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 03, 2007, 10:33:10 AM: It'll seem a lot less funny as technology continues to evolve, and our children and our children's children become better with this stuff that we are.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on March 03, 2007, 11:33:14 AM: *Shrugs*, ah well.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 03, 2007, 11:38:20 AM: se la vie.

Anyway, with the shot of Linderman they gave at the end of the last episode, does anyone else think that maybe they hunted down the Architect from the matrix sequels, and hired him?

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: AJStarhiker on March 03, 2007, 02:15:06 PM: I just checked IMDB. They don't have guest stars listed for that episode, and it's not on the actor's list of roles. So, either it's uncredited (which is possible but doubtful) or it hasn't been updated yet.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 03, 2007, 02:50:46 PM: Looks like it hasn't been updated yet. Which makes sense, because the people at NBC know that we're internet junkies.

I just thought it would be funny to have him show up.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on March 04, 2007, 04:44:49 AM: hey, if it works it works
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 04, 2007, 09:50:16 AM: He would just have to say "Ergo" like one time for all of us nerds to be all atwitter. ;D

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 05, 2007, 05:46:24 AM: I think I would have to take my girlfriend in the other room and defile her at that point. That's how excited I would be. ;)

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 05, 2007, 01:22:03 PM: That's pretty excited.
You might want to let her know ahead of time, though, so you don't catch her off guard.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 05, 2007, 01:49:45 PM: Oh, it won't take her by surprise. You should se what I do to her when I watch Tombstone...

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 05, 2007, 02:24:55 PM: I'd rather not- I still haven't mastered washing my eyes out with bleach from the last thing you showed me.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 07, 2007, 08:24:06 AM: ROBBY MC-FRAGGING-DOWELL!!!!!! That's Linderman?!?!??!?!? That guys sucks troll nuts! How can you have an evil mastermind with a little wimpy voice like that? It sounds like he got kicked in the nadgers!

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 07, 2007, 10:56:38 AM: Well... he's british. Most of the guys there sound like that (The other extreme, of course, being a soccer hooligan).

Yeah, I was a little dissapointed that it was him, too. And that he didn't get kaked.

I guess that's what Future-Hiro meant about Peter's scar, though. ;D

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 08, 2007, 04:56:55 AM: Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on March 08, 2007, 04:59:10 AM: my question is how will peter get a scar if he can heal like clair
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 08, 2007, 05:03:11 AM: He got it from TK. That has to make a bit of difference. And he still doesn'thave total controll of his powers yet. If he did, Sylar would have been TOAST as soon as he grabbed Peter.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on March 08, 2007, 05:05:22 AM: maybe...
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: mercy on March 08, 2007, 06:04:20 AM: why does everyone assume that a evil master mind has to be big strong with a srong voice just the oppiste I picture a evil mastermind
after all whats the point if your good looking popular and rich
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 08, 2007, 09:23:40 AM: Because evil masterminds get the girls.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 08, 2007, 01:31:48 PM: It's all a matter of casting. Rody McDowell does NOT inspire fear in me in any way, shpe, or form. He's a wimpy little piss-ant. what can I say.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 08, 2007, 05:37:17 PM: Uhhh... he's the dude from Clockwork Orange.
True, he hasn't exactly aged well, but... give a little respect where respect is due.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 09, 2007, 06:25:51 AM: Nope. He's lost his menace over the years. And what the hell is with the fake nose he was wearing? That was just dumb.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on March 11, 2007, 08:13:47 AM: lol, there goes gabe finding the flaws in something awesome
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 12, 2007, 05:44:16 AM: Well, what can I say. That was just crappy casting. Oh well, we have to wait another 6 weeks to see how it all turns out anyway. :'(

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 12, 2007, 09:55:38 AM: Hey, Hiro has the sword and he and Ando are teamed back up- that's all that I really care about. Of course, I want Peter to KICK SYLAR'S ASS!!!!

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 12, 2007, 11:40:28 AM: He will. And now you know how he gets that scar that Hiro told him about early on. I'm just wondering when DL is going to kill Jessica off.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on March 13, 2007, 04:57:42 AM: 6 weeks?! I hate that garbage. I didn't even realize they were taking a break till last night when they had 2 hours of deal or no deal on. >:(
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 13, 2007, 04:58:28 AM: Yep. That sucks troll nutz.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on March 14, 2007, 05:29:55 AM: no kidding, I don't wanna fraggin wait. Man, who do I have to shoot to get this going again
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 14, 2007, 09:10:55 AM: The cheerleader. In the head.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: mercy on March 14, 2007, 10:10:54 AM: thats no garentte rember she has been hit in the head before
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 14, 2007, 11:04:52 AM: Well, last time she was hit in the head, it actually killed her. She didn't come back to life until the ME pulled the stick out of her brain.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 14, 2007, 12:36:18 PM: Exaclty. One head-shot and that girl is a corpse. In fact, maybe THAT's how Sylar could have killed her, by doing his head-scalpel trick. I never thought of that.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 14, 2007, 01:25:26 PM: Yup, so Peter actually did save her.

I'm thinking the "save the world," has to do with the fact that Peter began to understand his power, and tried to learn to control it. If Ted had just shown up in New York otherwise, Peter would have nuked the city becaue he couldn't control it.

Or maybe the fact that Bennett is going to take down the company- assuming that they don't kill him for it first.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on March 14, 2007, 09:00:46 PM: naaa, I don't think if you shoot her in the ehad she'll die. Something actually has to get stuck in there. But I could be wrong...
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 15, 2007, 06:05:40 AM: I'm thining it has more to do with her brain being able to asses and correct damage. Therfore, if the brain itself is damaged, no healing.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 15, 2007, 01:52:20 PM: That would make sense to me.. although you have DNA in every single cell in your body, so I don't know why the repair apparatus would have to be neurologically-based.

But whateva. Let's not apply too much hard science to comics, right?

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 16, 2007, 05:12:41 AM: Well, yeah, but if you have your kidnies removed, the pancreas can't tell your body to re-grow the kidneis, right? So just because you have a trait encoded in your DNA doesn't mean you can lose the aparatus of that trait and still be able to use that trait. See what I mean.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on March 20, 2007, 05:22:02 AM: yea, but KV has a point, it's a comic book. Wolverine came back from one cell
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 20, 2007, 05:44:29 AM: Oh I know. That doesn't mean I have to like that. I NEVER liked the idea of Wolverine healing from one cell. That means that for all intents and purposes, he is immortal, and that really takes away from the character.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on March 20, 2007, 08:20:35 AM: Well, effectively, that one cell wouldn't be enough to regenerate him- the single cell would starve, even if it used all of its recources to rebuild other cells, there's not way that the organism could survive long enough to actually function.

His skeleton, on the other hand? Perfect place to build a little family.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on March 21, 2007, 05:17:24 AM: lol, gotta live that adamantium
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on March 21, 2007, 07:13:20 AM: Actually, those bones would HAVE to be porous in order for him to produce red blood cell, so yeah, I can see something growing on them.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on April 05, 2007, 12:27:49 PM: New... Episodes... of... Heroes... so... so... very... close...
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 06, 2007, 05:07:48 AM: <twitch> ack! Need my fix!
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: APOCALYPSE on April 06, 2007, 05:44:22 AM: You're not kidding. I'm dying here. If it wasn't for Lost then I'll probably go crazy.:bob:
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on April 06, 2007, 08:44:50 AM: Oh, and I saw on TV tonight that they're airing videos that fans send in, with thier theories and stuff...

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 07, 2007, 05:56:09 AM: really? that's pretty cool. I'd check that out if I didn't already have plans
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on April 11, 2007, 06:46:08 AM: Have you heard the one about how Peter and Nathan's father is still alive and working against Linderman???

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: APOCALYPSE on April 11, 2007, 07:06:35 AM: I heard that but I don't believe it.

However, I did find out a bunch of other spoilers but I hate to spoil the next 4 episodes. I know who's going to die. ;)
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on April 11, 2007, 12:01:54 PM: Well then keep your big lizard yap shut, because some of us don't want spoilers.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on April 12, 2007, 04:54:31 AM: So when DO the last episodes start??? Iwant to see how Mohinder explains to the cops why he is nailed to the ceiling.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 12, 2007, 06:29:38 AM: monday
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on April 12, 2007, 10:55:24 AM: Well damn! I'm glad I checked!!!

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on April 12, 2007, 11:04:33 AM: He's wrong- Heroes returns April 23rd.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 13, 2007, 05:07:42 AM: oh yea, had my days mixed up. sorry
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on April 13, 2007, 08:04:12 AM: I saw a preview where they said who dies... interesting.

It also shows Sylar having a hard time controlling his powers. Jerkface. That's what he gets for being a serial killer!

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on April 13, 2007, 10:24:10 AM: DAMMIT!!! I have to wait ANOTHER week!!!

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 14, 2007, 05:16:21 AM: yyyyeeeeaaaaa, sorry about that
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on April 18, 2007, 04:47:04 AM: monday monday monday monday monday
:hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 18, 2007, 05:14:16 AM: no kidding, I can't wait
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on April 18, 2007, 11:46:34 AM: I want to see Future-Hiro Kick Sylar's ASS!!!

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 18, 2007, 07:35:27 PM: buyah!
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on April 19, 2007, 04:58:01 AM: You know, just about anyone could kick Sylar's ass if they knew how to use their powers the right way and wer determined to do it. Let's be honest, if Sylar doesn't see the bullet coming, then what can he really do to stop it?

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 19, 2007, 01:00:11 PM: very true. but with his new ability to hear, maybe he can hear the click of the trigger in time...
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on April 19, 2007, 01:34:32 PM: You know what I'm waiting for? I'm waiting for Mohinder to get his hands on an air horn and nail Sylar with a sonic attack.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 20, 2007, 05:12:59 AM: that would really suck for sylar. Great idea ;D
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on April 20, 2007, 11:00:24 AM: Don't think it won't happen once Mohinder gets un-nailed from that ceiling.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on April 20, 2007, 12:14:54 PM: Mohinder isn't nailed up there- he's just being held by Sylar's telekinetic ability.

Did you see the awesomeness from the most recent preview?
It has Nathan sitting in the White House, arguing with Mohinder. And Peter is dead. And Present-Hiro and Future-Hiro team up! (maybe that's next episode)

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 22, 2007, 06:52:58 AM: oh really?!
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on April 23, 2007, 01:17:01 PM: I garuntee you that Peter doesn't die for real. In fact, I think that Peter isn't the one who blows up New York at all. I'm thinking it's Sylar. I think Sylar gets into Peter's head, starts taking powers and then ends up not being able to finish. He leaves with Ted's power (among others) and when he tries to use it, ends up going nuclear. (http://members.cox.net/gwire/Smiley - Explode.gif)I think Peter is presumed dead (and since he has head trauma will not be able to use Claire's ability to heal until that trauma is either repaired or removed) and comes in a bit later to help take care of the Sylar issue.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on April 23, 2007, 02:38:47 PM: Here's my theory- if Peter dies, then Nathan (who is on the presidential track with help from the strings-puller) will have no problem labelling people with powers as terrorists.

So, there are two options- Peter dies, Nathan hunts down Sylar and all the other horrible people with powers. Peter lives, Nathan has no reason to hunt down people with powers.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on April 24, 2007, 05:01:25 AM: YOu know, I never thought of the terrorist angle, but it does fit with the current terrorist gremlin crap being spread around the media like cow drek. And seeing the previews for the next episode, I think you might be onto something there.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on April 24, 2007, 09:58:53 AM: Present Hiro + Future Hiro!

I can't wait for next week!

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 25, 2007, 05:05:21 AM: yea, it will be interesting. And I'm thinking either nuclear guy or sylar after eating nuclear guy will blow up, not Peter
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on April 25, 2007, 06:02:31 PM: Dude, did you hear the talk that Nathan and Peter had? Peter thinks he can survive the nuclear blast. And the radiation doesn't seem to hurt Ted, so I think he might be onto something there.

I thought Peter picked up the scar from his tussle with Sylar, but it looks like he'll have it 5 years in the future.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 26, 2007, 05:54:27 AM: yea, I noticed that, no scar
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on April 26, 2007, 09:26:13 AM: So did I. Maybe it comes during the final confrontation.

Gabriel
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on April 26, 2007, 10:09:39 AM: Well, this next episode takes place 5 years in the future, so Nathan is President, Peter has a scar... and apparently he's leader of some sort of resistance, because he's kicking the crap out of some guards or something, along with Nikki and Hiro.

I'm looking forward to Hiro and Future Hiro teaming up and kicking ass. ;D

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on April 27, 2007, 05:25:42 AM: yea, that's gonna be a badass episode
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on May 22, 2007, 09:35:43 AM: Okay, so... awesome!

Alright, I don't want to spoil the Heroes finale for those people who didn't watch it, but MAN. It was awesome.

No Lost-ian neverending plotlines and drama. We found out who the exploding man was, and whether they were able to stop him or not. Awesomeness.

You have been warned. Spoilers below this point.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on May 23, 2007, 04:59:34 AM: yea, talk about good! How about the mention of the scary man. Next years bad guy?
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on May 23, 2007, 11:12:49 AM: Yeah, I'm thinking so. ;D

Also, I have a theory about Sylar actually dying, but someone else dragging his body down into the sewer. Which is why you saw the bloodtrail you did.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on May 24, 2007, 07:05:18 AM: never thought of that. I was like everyone else thinking he did it himself. Maybe returning later to help kill the scary man. the enemy of my enemy kind of thing
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: swirler on May 24, 2007, 07:27:18 AM: yeah I go back and forth between thinking he dragged himself away and someone just stole the corpse and took it into the sewers. I just hate hate hate that there were powers peter never had a chance to get, especially Lindermans. Im also wondering if things/people Linderman healed are still healed after his death. It would be interesting if they werent. Would make his "help" conditional in yet another way.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: kv on May 24, 2007, 01:22:54 PM: Yeah, I was curious about that too- especially as it affects Nathan's wife.

That would suck: "You're healed! Only not so much! Hope you did your walking while you could!!!"

I'm intruiged by the idea that Nathan might have been able to fly away without dying- but I think he was exposed to extreme doses of radiation while flying up there, and wouldn't have deserted his brother. Also, what are the odds of falling from that height without head injury? I wonder if Peter survived either.

-kv
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Jester on May 25, 2007, 05:13:25 AM: I wonder what exactly did Peter's old boss have to do with all this. What was his power? Did he drag peter back to the past...sorta
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: Ingo Monk on May 28, 2007, 06:58:03 PM: Surprises:
- I didn't like how Hana Geitelman (aka Wireless) only made 1 episode, then she's killed off in the novel (at least that's what the title says, I haven't caught up yet). I thought she was a pretty kewl character, very SR4 Technomancer-ish.
- I didn't expect Linderman's death to happen the way it did. Actually, I wasn't even expecting Linderman to die at all. Wow.
- I also didn't expect Mr. Bennet's former superior to die. Though something about that actor annoys me for some reason.

Questions:
1. Why the heck didn't Peter just fly up into the sky by himself when he was going to go nuclear? Duh?

Theories:
1. Peter and Nathan fly up in the sky and blow up, Nathan could have used the momentum (remember he can break the sound barrier as per his first instance of flying) to fling Peter up higher while he flew away (absorbing lots of radiation). Keep in mind, Ted's radioactivity, though very strong, doesn't seem to go out a large radius. Case point: Ted going nuclear in the Bennet house, no one seemed to have any ill effects besides Mr. Bennet seeming to be burned a little. Also remember it seems like Claire's regeneration power works as long as there isn't any damage to a certain part of the brain, seems to me like where the brain stem meets with the rest of the brain.. so I think Peter, if knocked unconscious (which he seems to do a lot), could probably fall and wake up as long as that part of the brain wasn't damaged.

2. Nathan, after being radiated (if not dead from the explosion mind you), could either lose his power or mutate in some way. I don't think he would look any different, I doubt the writers/producers would want some mutated freak running around.. though maybe he loses his hair?

3. Sylar possibilities:
- He comes back mid 2nd season to get his vengeance.
- He becomes paralyzed waist down (Hiro hit his spine maybe?), must use his psychokinesis powers to walk around.. maybe float around?
- Also possible (after reading your theories) that someone dragged him away. Another character gets introduced, becomes Slyar's lackey?

4. Previous Heroes: From what I gather, it seems like Peter's old boss (Simone's dad), was part of the old organization. The organization in which he, Nathan & Peter Petrelli's mom & dad, Linderman, and Hiro's dad were all apart of. It seems like those who have powers can pass the ability to have a power to their offspring (goes along with Mohinder's theories of genetics and such). Hiro's dad gave the most information about this group when it talked to Hiro. I'm still wondering what the heck Mrs. Petrelli's power is, and she mentioned that her late husband was 'special' as well.

Expectations:
- Don't forget about Claire's real mom, she'll probably make a return sometime in the 2nd season.

More expectations to come after I've read up on the online novel.
Title: Re:Heroes
Post by: swirler on May 29, 2007, 09:17:58 AM: i havent read any of the online stuff yet
heres a couple of ideas
yeah i was bugged by peters not just flying himself, but the way i understand it is, some of his powers he has to concentrate to use (or concentrate to not use) Since he ran into Sylar again and sylar picked up several more powers Peter probbaly absorbed all of them at once. There is also the possibility that he may have absorbed some double doses of powers he already had (Issac's vision, and Ted's radiation) This also might explain why Peter couldnt control it.
Just a theory anyway.

so has anyone hearda ny mopre about "Origins"?
here is all ive seen so far
http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10546 (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=10546)
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 06, 2007, 04:48:45 AM: hmmm, so Kensai is this mysterious adam who created the company and is now looking to kill everyone...wow. I wonder, how did he live so long?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 06, 2007, 09:08:01 AM: I saw it coming. And as for living so long, well that's a typical healing factor thing. Look at Wolverine.

Gabriel
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: kv on November 06, 2007, 12:04:41 PM: Wait, you saw which part coming?

As for Peter, he has to focus in a specific way (which is different for each power). When he was on the rooftop with Claude, he used telekenisis to stop the staff, but only when he was angry. When he thinks about how much his brother means to him, he can fly. When he gets scared, he goes nuclear like Ted.

My honest opinion is that Peter couldn't fly because it was taking every ounce of energy to keep himself from exploding, although what Swirler was saying about double-doses of power might be true, too. So his brother came and flew with him (I'm assuming that Nathan didn't have to do all the heavy lifting once he got moving- Peter seemed to have an easier time with it when he was in close contact with someone), and then since we knew right away that Nathan survived, I assumed that he either threw Peter or dropped him before he exploded. From the preview for next week, it looks like he got a little radiation burn, and dropped him, and that's why he felt like he had failed Peter.

I'm interested to see what the deal with Kensai/Adam is. It almost sounds like he's trying to help Peter stop the company, and the company does lots of bad things, but maybe the company does bad things to stop worse things?

I've also spent time wondering what Mrs. Petrelli's powers are. And her husbands. And Nathan's sons.

I wonder what Peter's old boss had as powers (his name was Charles), and what he meant when he said that it wouldn't be the first time that Linderman was wrong. There's some very interesting stuff.

Oh, and sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but Heroes: Origins is kinda dead. With the writer's strike, there's no one to write a mid-season show where America gets to voted and decide who lives and dies. So it looks like more reality shows next year. Yaaay. :-\

-kv
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 07, 2007, 04:45:27 AM: I kinda forgot about origins. Oh well, guess I'll just read something
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 07, 2007, 09:34:44 AM: Kid_Vid, I saw it coming that Kensei was running the company. At the begining of the last episode, you see a painting of Hiro and Kensei fighting, but in the painting, Hiro is wearing glasses, which he had taken off in Japan in the past. When he fought Kensie, no glasses. Then you see a chared body in the ashes of the tent, but the body still has a head, so Kensei could easily be alive. We know that the only thing that stops Claire and Peter is a sustained trauma to the brainstem/head/spinal cord. If Kensei got fried in teh blast, he would eventually come back. Oh, and the Godsend symbol for the company makes a LOT more sense when you think about Kensei and Hiro battleing in the future (which is how he woudl have to fight according to the clues in the painting.)

As for Company against Adam, well I think it is just a normal outgrowth of the "original" heroes getting corrupted by their power and abilities. When you realize that Bob has the Mides touch, well you can see how easily they would all become millionares if they flet the bonds of brotherhood strong enough to stick together. Now add in the idea that the "fellowship" seems to have broken some time back. You see that Ms. Petrelly (what the frag IS that slitch's power???) seems to be out of the loop for most of the first season. She has contact with Linderman, but it doesn't seem like she is really working with him, just using him to get Nathan elected. You also see that Mr. Nakamura has wondered from the fold, as evidenced by his nev er turning Hiro in to the Company. So I'm thinking that Adam is going to chastise the rest of the "original" group to show them the error of their ways and get them back to his agenda.

Gabriel
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 08, 2007, 07:16:15 AM: I think Adam went all bad when hiro betrayed him and has pretty much stayed that way. He has probably had all kinds of world domination thoughts since then. And when he found a group of people who had powers he jumped on the opertunity. Some he was able to bend to his ways but not all.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Gabriel on November 09, 2007, 05:18:23 AM: Exactly, that's why he hunts down the others; "for their onw good." What a bastard. I can't wait until he and Sylar meet up.

Gabriel
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: kv on November 09, 2007, 11:00:44 AM: Well, I think the meeting between Adam and Gabriel would be funny, because Adam could regenerate from whatever Sylar did, and Gabe can't steal anyone's powers anymore, so they would both be pretty frustrated.

"Will..."

"You..."

"Just..."

"Let..."

"Me..."

"Live..."

"Long..."

"Enou..."

"gh..."

"To..."

"Make..."

"You..."

"A..."

"Deal..."

-kv
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 10, 2007, 05:12:39 AM: why Syler doesn't have his powers is something I'm still trying to nail down...
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: kv on November 10, 2007, 10:41:38 AM: Yeah, I'm not sure about that, either. I thought he still had them, when you heard the ticking of the clock and he clobbered the illusion lady (who is now the love interest on Reaper. ;D ), but then he couldn't take her powers, so I wonder if someone in the company rescued him, but put a block on him, to control his powers (aka prevent him from using them) because the girl said something along those lines.

-kv
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 11, 2007, 05:09:08 AM: that crossed my mind too. Any thoughts gabe?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Ingo Monk on November 12, 2007, 11:03:13 AM: Seems like to me the Company wanted to use him. In order for them to use him they need to be able to control him. In order to control him they need him to see things their way. So, they capture him and find some way to block his powers with the promise of letting him have his powers back if he'll work for the company. I bet they weren't betting on him taking the course he did.

One thing I find interesting is how they seem to be switching the roles of characters. So Peter and Adam are working together to take down the pre-heroes (PH), and maybe the company itself. And the Company seems to be wanting to find people with powers who don't know what those powers are (let's call 'em groggies like in SR) and either control them, take away their powers, or use them. In a sense it's a noble effort, saving humanity from itself. On the other side they end up using people so the company isn't that nice after all.

The way I see it right now everything and everyone is in a gray area. There's no set lines and defined good and evil factions right now. I think we'll find out soon enough who's the good guy and who's the bad guy. Though, it's kinda neat seeing everyone follow their own agenda and nobody being good/bad.
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 13, 2007, 04:59:45 AM: yep, and 3 more episodes before the fall finale. I hope the writers stop striking so we won;t have to wait very long...
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: kv on November 13, 2007, 01:15:58 PM: Oh, in case you missed it, they said how they 'turned off' Sylar's powers.

The electricity girl can shock people's powers to "Off" mode simply enough. She shocked Peter daily (who healed the damage due to having absorbed Claire's abilities), but with someone like Sylar, he'd only need one shock to turn his powers off.

Of course, the girl is a sociopath, so I think Sylar will just convince her it'd be more fun to let him kill people and have his powers back on. I think she'd go for that.

-kv
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 14, 2007, 05:07:20 AM: no, I missed that one. I thought it was the pills
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: kv on November 19, 2007, 11:16:36 AM: Okay, and a few of other things I noticed when re-watching the episode with my Dad this past weekend. (My whole family is nerds. It's so awesome!)

1) Bob lied to Nathan- he said that Peter's memory was already gone, and implied that he was being held at the facility, but then (while they were under an imminent threat of attack) was not a good time for them to visit him.

2) Nathan's mom totally lied to him- it was her that drove his family away, not him. Evil old slitch.

3) Why is the Hatian still working for the company if the only way for Bennett's family to be safe was for the Hatian to take all of his memories about Claire's escape and assume the role of the conspirator, leaving Bennett in the clear? Why are they cool with him working for them, if that's the case?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 20, 2007, 05:10:10 AM: I was wondering that about the hation as well
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: kv on November 20, 2007, 12:09:00 PM: Oh, and I saw the possibility for the "twist" last night, so I wasn't all the surprised. I'm just curious what's going to happen with him now.

-kv
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 21, 2007, 04:47:30 AM: oh? do tell?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: kv on November 21, 2007, 01:34:46 PM: Well, Isaac Mendez painted the future, but if there's anything we learned in the first season, just because you think you know what you're looking at doesn't mean it means what you think.

Example- Peter died, but he had absorbed Claire's powers, so he didn't stay dead.

This new series was... non-linear. It covers many different areas of the second season, but no plotline specifically. For example, it shows Hiro fighting Takezo Kensai, but Hiro is wearing glasses, something he didn't do often in the past, including when he finally fought Kensai. Is this painting a symbol of the fight between Hiro and Adam- or was it already covered in Whitebeard's armament tent?

HRG (Horned-Rimmed Glasses... aka Noah Bennett) was shown dead- shot in the eye, with Claire hugging someone in the background. In the exchange between Claire and Elle (the electricity girl), Elle blasted Claire out of the sky, Bennett shot her, and Mohinder shot Bennett in the eye, killing him.

I had figured out that Claire's blood would be a big part of this series, because she brought it up in the first few episodes, and then Adam's blood was shown to cure people of pretty traumatic stuff- even severe radiation burns. So Claire's blood- does it have limits? Can it bring someone back from the dead?

Turns out that it can.

-kv
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on November 22, 2007, 11:45:44 AM: it's going to be interesting to see how much they cram into the next 2 episodes with the writers strike shutting everything down
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: kv on November 23, 2007, 01:08:56 AM: They were already planning to stop production, to give a break between "Volumes" 2 and 3. The empty space was supposed to be filled with "Heroes: Origins" which, sadly, was the first casualty of the writer's strike.

-kv
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on December 04, 2007, 04:24:39 AM: aaahhhhhh. I forgot about Origins. Nice cliffhanger BTW
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: kv on December 04, 2007, 10:42:16 AM: So, any theories on who shot Nathan? My money is on Bennett.

-kv
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on December 06, 2007, 04:26:46 AM: I thought the same thing. Nathan's gonna be ok though. Peter's gonna save his life with his blood. They're gonna let everyone think Nathan is dead to use to their advantage. Now, how about Adam being buried alive. Ooooooo, talk about creepy!
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: kv on December 06, 2007, 09:26:12 PM: I don't know about that. They saved the spanish chick... which I guess means that she's going to be a good guy now? But... Well, Nikki is toast, so...

Yeah, I'm not sure what they're going to do in the new year.

-kv
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on December 07, 2007, 04:31:09 AM: yea, and hopefully the spanish chick can get a handle on her powers and target just one person instead of everyone in a 20 yard area
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: kv on December 07, 2007, 03:29:35 PM: Well, yeah. Although the next section is called "Villains."

-kv
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: APOCALYPSE on February 05, 2008, 08:40:24 PM: Have they mentioned when the episodes will continue or is it still on hiatus?
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: kv on February 06, 2008, 12:04:16 AM: Still on hiatus. And because of the (stupid) writer's strike, they cancelled the 'filler' show, Heroes: Origins, where they were going to introduce new heroes and let people vote on which one made it into the main show.

I hate the writer's guild so very much right now.

-kv
Title: Re: Heroes
Post by: Jester on February 06, 2008, 04:56:10 AM: no kidding. there isn't a damn thing on.