Shadowrun Pub
General => Reviews => Topic started by: kv on January 12, 2007, 10:54:19 PM
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Anyone else watch this show? I like it.
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Nope. I saw bits and pieces of the first season and just couldn't bring myself to watch it.
Gabriel
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nope, not interested
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Aw, it's fun. The "geeks" are very likable and the "beauties" such easy targets...
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Well, I like it. The beauties are (mostly) smarter than they give themselves credit for, a lot like most of the women I've met. A much smaller percentage of women have determined that men are all inferior, and a TINY percentage has decided that men and women are about equal.
Anyway, enough of my pet peeve on that subject. I like the show because (in this season at least- I never really watched the other two) the challenges are meant to teach both teams to grow- so the guys have social events that make them do things that they have no experience with- listening to women chatter about nothing, or telling jokes, while the women have to deal with real-life issues, which is something they're not used to doing either. In one of the tapes, one of the girls actually said "I don't worry about what's going on with other people. Sometimes, I think about what they think about me, like 'Man, she is so awesome!'." I kid you not. So they're having to learn about the world around them, rather than being so self-absorbed.
I like it because I can see that everyone needs a little bit of help getting to that middle ground. I was so one of those textbook nerds until I served a mission which required me to go out and talk to people and get rejected for two years. Without that, I wouldn't be nearly as social as I am now.
It's an enjoyable watch- so give it a chance.
-kv
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"...listening to women chatter about nothing."
Aha, that's your opinion. :D Chatter connotes something inane and lacking importance; suggests your dismissal of whatever a woman says as nothing.
It might not be important to you, but in some way it's important to her. That's what the whole lesson was about, after all.
And I'm stepping off my soapbox now. :D
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"Oh, I totally stayed up late last night, watching my favorite movie of all time, Pretty Woman? I almost watched Titanic instead, because of that scene where Kate Winslet posed, like..." she moves her hands above her head, "...like this, so that Jack could paint her?"
The above would be classified as:
A) Meaningful conversation
B) Chatter
C) Mindless Chatter
D) None of the above.
-kv
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Hey, maybe it was important to her. That's what car stuff sounds like to me.
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Uhhh... her little dialogue had the sounds of something seriously scripted. I honestly doubt that Sophia was her real name. Or if it was, that detail was changed to fit her. I'd bet money on it.
-kv
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Sorry K_V, but E_V has a point.
It may not be the actual content of the words (I admit, it sounds like inane chatter to me often enough, but then, so does car speak), so much as the process of communicating itself.
A surprisingly small amount of the verbalization performed by humans is actually a transmission of information (well, relevant/significant information anyway), so much as it is a social bonding technique. "My Group" - "My Herd" - "My Friends" or whatever. Long distance mass comunication has muddied the issue somewhat, as has our claims of being an intelligent, rational species. As much as anything, and probably primarily, we talk to establish social interaction/bonds, not to transmit information.
Which is the longest thread on this board? in terms of postings and probably longevity as well? Correct: Padding (http://ingomonk.bullhonkie.com/forums/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=301;start=3270), with so far almost 220 pages, and more than 3000 individual posts - more than any other sub-board here - many of which would be classified as spamming just about anywhere else. It counts almost 10 000 'views'. And I doubt anyone here would challenge you if you called that 'inane chatter'.
Even I have posted in that bloody thread!
It's part of what makes us a group. The shared, common knowledge, the shared referances, the in-jokes. Ever noticed how the padding thread (http://ingomonk.bullhonkie.com/forums/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=301) has become a sort of in-joke in itself? How we warn 'n00bz' not to read it from the beginning, because there'sjust too much drivel?
Sometimes, indeed very often, it's not the content, but the act of communicating itself which is of interest, which is why (much to my personal dismay and dislike, I can assure you), that that inane chatter does have a certain validity.
That people then choose to chatter inanely over things like hair or car or bad movies ... well, says alot about people I find, don't you?
EDIT: Edited for further content, and ease of readability.
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Now THAT was inane chatter. ;) Just kidding, ROOTless.
However, that having been said, I agree that Elena_V has a point about someone vapid saying vapid things does not erase the fact that to that person, what is said is important or meaningful. But that doesn't mean I want to watch it. Stupid people get on my nerves. Shallow people get on my nerves. And I don't enjoy watching them interact with each other.
I alos realize that to many people out there, I fit both of those catagories, and to me, many other fit into them. I realize it is all relative. But it still gets on my nerves.
Gabriel
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N But that doesn't mean I want to watch it. Stupid people get on my nerves. Shallow people get on my nerves. And I don't enjoy watching them interact with each other.
Seconded.
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I'm not entirely sure why I like the show, save that we're all voyeurs to an extent. And I'm a glutton for punishment. I sit there and stare at the screen and wonder, "How the HELL do these people really exist?"
Yeah, Sophia's talk was probably scripted. But the point of the exercise was to learn to listen and not instantly dismiss that type of speech as 'mindless chatter,' for the reasons ROOTless says. I'll be the first to admit that women do bond over things like that. "Did you hear what happened to so and so? Well, her boyfriend..." Blah, blah, blah. We're gossip whores. :D But that's how we bond; just like a guy and his brothers will pelt each other with airsoft bullets in the backyard, or run each other over with remote control cars. So when men and women come together, it's a blending of two very different methods of communication that both don't typically understand. So we have to learn to accommodate, understand, and appreciate the differing modes.
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Yeah, but the only reason we don't include the women in the running-over with cars is because they get all mad. Hell, Jenn probably would've gotten mad if she had seen us running over Mark.
But when it comes to communicating, I'll listen even if I don't think the person is talking about anything important. Because it is important to them. And I have listened to a LOT of inane chatter. And I've been stuck listening to people who were just lonely and needed someone to complain to about thier problems... but I keep doing it anyway.
I guess that makes me a sucker. I know I certainly feel like it sometimes.
-kv
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It makes you a good guy.
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I tend to do the same. Andit makes you a better GM, by having more (second hand, but still) life experience and different POVs to draw upon.
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just like a guy and his brothers will pelt each other with airsoft bullets in the backyard, or run each other over with remote control cars.
Why do I get the feeling that neither of these were randomly generated examples?
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Uh. Because they weren't. :D
Air soft guns and RC cars were the gifts KV's and Ruski's parents gave them and their brothers for the past two Christmases.
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Go figure.
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Well, it sounds like they would just hurt themselves anyway, so why not be the one to give them the tools to do it, right?
Gabriel
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Well, there's a fine heritage and history there- we've been trying to injure ourselves for the better part of the last 30 years. Any reference that Elena makes to jumping out of trees, jumping off of houses with grocery bag parachutes, learning to do flips on bicycles, memory loss, lighting each other on fire, playing with hairspray and matches, sticking staples in the wall and blowing the breaker, insane burnouts, or the time we made a 45 minute drive in just under 20 minutes, those are all based on real-life events.
The strangest part of it is that we rarely, of ever managed to hurt ourselves. I have by far the most scars out of any of my brothers, and of those four major scars, one was from an operation to remove a congenital birth defect in one of my kidneys.
The other three were from accidents, and get this- I was the cautious one? And the only one to get scars from it, aside from a tiny scar on my brother Dave's chin.
-kv