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[Ruski]

Yea. I'd let it work too.

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[Gabriel]

I would agree on a case to case basis. No matter what, NO ONE is getting to enchant a a car as a focus without monolithic penalties. By the same token, you aren't going to see anyone running around with a circuit board turned into Boot Intelligence focus either. Pieces of refined metals and bits of something that has cause you personal harm, yes, I can see those working just fine. But highly refined chemicals, or highly complex tech, not on your life. That goes against everything the rules were written for. No magical guns, cars, cybernetics, etc.

Gabriel

[Ruski]

awww... no magical guns? how sad!

oh well. Neil the Orc Barbarian once had to fight a magical gunman.

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[Gabriel]

Well, if Niel foguth him, then it had to be real.

Gabriel

[Ruski]

Yea! I got his autograph at disneyland once.

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[Gabriel]

Yeah, and Karl Kombatmage is my cousin.

Gabriel

[Ruski]

no, he was hanging out with 'the biggest mermaid' on one of the floats, smoking, and he signed my book-thingie.

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[Gabriel]

At virtual-world Disney??? Chummer, that was frame and you know it.

Gabriel

[Ruski]

*shrug* perhaps. but still. it's closer than most people have gotten to him.

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[Retread]

Depends on what kind of car we're talking about here, Gabe. Looking at it realistically, if you pulled all the fluids out of a 1957 Chevy Coupe, it would have a relatively low enchanting difficulty because it doesn't use any computers, or high tech alloys or any of that jazz. So it's target number to enchant would be relatively low. Additionally, if the character wanted to blow 600,000 nuyen on Orichalcum to lower the target number then let them, it's their money. There's nothing that says you can't have an enchanted car in the canon. In fact, the original SR 3 book said that foci can be dual-purposed, and they give an example of a focus that's also a radio. Just don't expect to get the virgin materials and hand-made telesma bonuses when you make your Car Familiar.

[Gabriel]

Sorry, but anything as complex as a car will have an astronomical Target Number on it. There are FAR too many components, and too much processing to be considered non-refined or low-tech. Object resistance on a car is what, 8, 10, something like that? So that Tn for the enchanting will be equally as high. Now considering that the car will need to use fluids as part of its normal opperations, those would need to be present during the enchanting. You could probably change out the fluids as normally once the car is enchanted, but they would have to be there at first. Doing it any other way would be like enchanting ONLY the sword blade and leaving off the hilt and pommel. Then saying that the PC could attach that blade to a hilt and pommel and have an enchanted sword. Nope.

And as with everything else, game balance needs to be observed. They never say youCAN'T enchant a car, just that it would be monumentally difficult. And I agree. Letting a PC drop the TN's to do this is flirting with game imbalance in a very real and dangerous sense.

Gabriel

[AJStarhiker]

What about enchanting a component of the car?  Ie, the steering wheel with some kind of reaction bonus?

[Retread]

The rules are pretty clear here, if you add enough Orichalcum you can enchant anything, a barrel of toxic waste even. The reason you don't see this is because it's just too damn expensive. But if the player has 600 large then they should be able to spend it as they see fit. If you spent 880,000 nuyen on 10 units of Orichalcum, then you could feasibly negate the Object Resistance Rating of the car. Of course, why would you spend that much money on something like that. Anything can be enchanted, anything, just like you can ward anything, or cast a spell on anything, you just have to deal with the penalties involved. Fortunately, if this particular stick bothers you, you can feel relieved to know most players never play magic-users, let alone use enchanting to any effect.

[AJStarhiker]

I play magic users, but they're all adepts.  Little different from playing a mage

[Retread]

Handy part about that is that an adept can use enchanting.