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[ROOTless]

that's interesting. i didn't know that.

i wonder what salt does to them?

-RuskiFace the Pirate

Ever seen a garden slug cover in salt?
that's what it does to them.

[Ruski]

You can load rock-salt as shotgun rounds.

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[Retread]

Given the nature of munitions in 2060, you could probably load rock salt into any kind of gun...


However, the definition of "salt" is slightly vague as almost any acid-base reaction creates "salt"

[Fortune]

You can load rock-salt as shotgun rounds.

And it counts as an 'Elemental Attack', therefore it bypasses a Spirit's Immunity To Normal Weapons.

[Ruski]

really? I never thought of that...

-RuskIFace the Pirate

wouldn't lead be an elemental attack under thoes same rules?

[Fortune]

No, because it is processed, and so no longer considered to be 'elemental' in nature.

[ROOTless]

And it counts as an 'Elemental Attack', therefore it bypasses a Spirit's Immunity To Normal Weapons.

If one of my players tried to pull this little gem, s/he have to talk amazingly fast, and give me some really good page referances...

[Ruski]

and salt-load rounds aren't processed?

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[Retread]

The damage is based on the "Name" of the weapon in question. A hunk of raw stone would do elemental damage as it is still "stone" but if you carve it into a knife and throw it, it becomes named "Knife" and is now a normal weapon.

A water cannon does elemental damage because the water isn't prepared for use as a weapon, it is simply water, where the lead is no longer "lead" in Name, but "bullet." The water in the cannon is still "water" not "water cannon ammo."

The nature of magic and spirits has far more to do with Names than it does the physics.

The rock-salt is still "salt" because it has not been named "shell" or "bullet"

[Fortune]

Exactly.

The rock salt doesn't have to be processed at all. Just tip some in a Streetsweeper (which will take and fire almost anything) and blaze away.

As for giving a canon page reference, in Shadowrun most 'elemental attacks' are not clearly defined.

[Ingo Monk]

So does that mean that a flame thrower isn't considered a fire attack?  The ammo for it is a processed fuel in a canister that is ignited.  

Then what's up with the 'laser' elemental attack that I read about in MITS?  There's a spell called laser or something and has an area-effect version called nova (mind you this is off of memory).  It said something to the effect of the laser spell effected people like sunlight would, so if you hit a vampire with a laser spell it would damage them as sunlight.  Does this mean laser weapons attack as an elemental light attack?

[Ruski]

whoa... all that thinking just made me dizzy...

so, rock-salt stings like a mother, and can work on elementals?

i think i'm going to start carrying my street-sweeper arround with me some more.

-RuskIFace the Pirate

[Fortune]

So does that mean that a flame thrower isn't considered a fire attack?  The ammo for it is a processed fuel in a canister that is ignited.  

The damage is done by the fire, not the chemicals that cause the fire. A Flamethrower (spell or gear) is an Elemental Attack.

Then what's up with the 'laser' elemental attack that I read about in MITS?  There's a spell called laser or something and has an area-effect version called nova (mind you this is off of memory).  It said something to the effect of the laser spell effected people like sunlight would, so if you hit a vampire with a laser spell it would damage them as sunlight.

Yes, a Laser or Nova spell would affect a vampire as if against a Vulnerabilty (+1 DL I think).

Does this mean laser weapons attack as an elemental light attack?

Again, yes. They use the Element of Light, therefore are considered Elemental Attacks, just as their spell equivalents.

Water Cannons and Sand Blasters can also be useful as Elemental Attacks.

[Ingo Monk]

Wow I never thought about that!  Sand blaster = earth elemental effect?

How about if you had a large air compresser and you somehow got the pressure really high and fit it to a nozzle.  Air attack?

[Ruski]

I suppose so, but a i've seen a sand-blaster pull all the skin off of a guy, I have yet to see a air compressor blow a damaging amount of wind at someone.

i'm not saying it couldn't happen, but if you are looking to mount something usefull on your vehicle or troll, i'd go with one of the other options.

-RuskiFace the Pirate