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[Fortune]

Wow I never thought about that!  Sand blaster = earth elemental effect?

How about if you had a large air compresser and you somehow got the pressure really high and fit it to a nozzle.  Air attack?

Pretty much. Canon leaves it up to the imagination, just using the vague catch-phrase 'Elemental Attack', and then going about telling how bullets and knives, clubs, and fists are all not considered to be elemental.

[Fortune]

i'm not saying it couldn't happen, but if you are looking to mount something usefull on your vehicle or troll, i'd go with one of the other options.

Ah, but what's useless on a troll might well be effective against a Spirit. Even an air compressor should deserve a damage code of something like 4L to Spirits (6L to Earth related types). And it would bypass the Spirit's natural Immunity To Normal Weapons. Use the Spray Weapons skill for attacking purposes.

[Retread]

A traditional concussion grenade uses Air Blast elemental effect as it's explosion isn't based on sharpnel but on a vacuum of air created by the blast itself. Therefore the grenade isn't the weapon, but the Air that impacts the target.

[Fortune]

I was going to mention that, but figured you (specifically ) would disagree.

[Ingo Monk]

A traditional concussion grenade uses Air Blast elemental effect as it's explosion isn't based on sharpnel but on a vacuum of air created by the blast itself. Therefore the grenade isn't the weapon, but the Air that impacts the target.

So does that mean that in a literal sense a concussion grenade does air elemental based damage but based by the rules it's just a grenade?

[Ruski]

I think this just goes to let the PC's try to be creative with this.

'normal guns don't work, try something else'

at that point they have to think, and get arround the obsticle.

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[Retread]

Ruski hit it on the head.

Basically speaking, a snowball would be more effective on an elemental than a gun.

[Fortune]

Exactly!

And great example too.

[Ruski]

I like it!

and in seattle, i think that snowballs and guns have the same availability rateing.

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[Ingo Monk]

I like it!

and in seattle, i think that snowballs and guns have the same availability rateing.

-RuskiFace the Pirate

That's sooo true!

[Poison]

I suppose so, but a i've seen a sand-blaster pull all the skin off of a guy, I have yet to see a air compressor blow a damaging
-RuskiFace the Pirate

I've stood in front of a fan (or the front wheel of an exercise bike) that is able to get up a goodly amount of wind.  Not enough to push anything heavier than a piece of paper, but it's a fair amount of force in a concentrated area.  That sort of thing would be effective against anything with a vulnerability to air.  

[mercy]

I thought the will played a part in the damge /effectiness

[kv]

So what would make a list of improvisational weapons that would be good use against a spirit?

Oh... and go cyberpunk video game.

  -kv

[Poison]

So what would make a list of improvisational weapons that would be good use against a spirit?

Oh... and go cyberpunk video game.

  -kv

A pen, or some word processing software on a computer  

And go cyberpunk video game!

P.S.  There are so many possible improvised weapons... that's why they're called improvised.  There's no way you could list all the possiblities.
For Air vulnerability, obviously anything that concentrates a large amound of air in a small area would work.

[Ruski]

I'll HUFF! and I'll PUFF! and I'll BLOW your house down!

-RuskiFace the Pirate