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Shotguns and rifles might not fire the same effective round, but the point I was getting at is that a gun with a stock is aimed in single-shot mode relatively the same regardless of the round used. Recoil and range rules account for the "spray and pray" of SMGs and Assault rifles.

Anti-vehicle rounds are made out of a brass core that will blast through hardened armor, additionally they do vehicle damage which guarantees a raise in the effective damage level of the weapon used to fire them against a soft target by one level.

[Capt_North]

*shrugs* all im saying is from what experience i've had they dont fire alike. you dont aim them the same, or even really "shoot" the same.

Saying shooting a shotgun is just like shooting an SMG is kind of ridicouls... redictou... ... not right ;p
I think that the rules are good as is, least in 3rd edit, they are done so that if you dont have the skill you can fake it using a related skill at a penalty. to me this just kinda seems like you normally use a dagger to fight, but choose to switch it out for a spear one day despite having no training and expecting to use it just fine cause "they are about the same".. well.. maybe not quite like that.. but close to.

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Melee weapons are all relatively related (Where FASA got off claiming that a claymore is a polearm, I don't know) and I didn't think about defaulting. Still, I've fired both a rifle and a shotgun and they feel pretty much the same when firing (if they have the same sights) If you use a 410 with a bead sight it's gonna be different than with an iron-sight but the affect is still the same.

Conversely, you use the same Projectile weapons skill when working with a bow and with a slingshot even though neither aim the same, so there's a rub there.

[Capt_North]

I think the claymore thing is largely just people not knowing the differance in how you use the weapon..

And while a shotgun and rifle are simliear, not all are, sawn offs, or even cut down models for urban combat (shortened barrel and pistol grip stock) isnt much like a rifle, and i'd figure for street runners that would be the more used model... so i guess i should have brought that up in my posts..

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Eh, well, there really is no "perfect" system, so it's probably better to stick to canon, neh?

[Capt_North]

point.. oh well, was good discussion at least:3

[Ruski]

You guys really should look at tne new group system in SR4.

-RuskiFace the PIrate

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*HISS!*

[mercy]

Melee weapons are all relatively related (Where FASA got off claiming that a claymore is a polearm, I don't know) and I didn't think about defaulting. Still, I've fired both a rifle and a shotgun and they feel pretty much the same when firing (if they have the same sights) If you use a 410 with a bead sight it's gonna be different than with an iron-sight but the affect is still the same.

Conversely, you use the same Projectile weapons skill when working with a bow and with a slingshot even though neither aim the same, so there's a rub there.

um try hitting a target with a shotgun at anything more than 100 yards is nigh impossible even if your annie oakly even if you have a scope on it and when you start shooting at things for avg rifle ranger say around 400 yards  that shotgun slug aint going to have much engery left

[Gabriel]

Dammit Mercy!!!! Now I'm picturing you in a little frilly dress with a cowboy hat and rifle. Why did you have to mention Annie Oakley???

Gabriel

[Ruski]

and that's why RANGE catagories are diffrent from dammage codes, and skill weapons.

Shotguns have their own range modifiers, similar to that of a heavy pistol.

-RuskiFace the Pirate

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Hee, Annie Oakley goblinizes into a troll...

[Gabriel]

Annie Oakley goblinizes into Mercy.

Gabriel

[Ruski]

how about Mercy Goblinizing into Annie?

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[mercy]

shudder looks at the resdident spell slinger ok drop the pollymoph spell bub