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General => Reviews => Topic started by: Poison on June 01, 2006, 04:49:00 AM
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So, anybody seen this yet? I was thinking of seeing it next Tuesday... I'm looking forward to it but read a review saying it's crap (which is probably a good thing because now I'll have low expectations and I'll enjoy it :) )
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I was thinking about going this weekend. I juat have to see Kelsey Grammer as the Beast. I mean I can just hear it now, "Hello, Magneto. I'm the Beast, and I'm listening." ;)
Of course, judging by the trailers I've seen, it sould be a who's who of mutants. I spotted dozens of bit-players in there. Although I was wondering why Leech (if it is indeed Leach who they are using to "cure" mutation) looks so damn normal in the trailers. Oh well, I'l let you all know when I see it.
Gabriel
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Everyone I know who's seen it liked it. Add that with the actuall reviews I'm getting mixed ones. I'm still gonna go see it though
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One of da guyz was blown away by it - he included spoilers in his review which I won't but said that the Phoenix series is mutated and included. and of course Angel is there as is Shadowcat. Now that's a power I'd like...
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hehe, I like shadowcat. Looks likem she doesn't hae her little drake
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Acutally, the new director had all the same actors as the previous movie (as opposed to the previous director, who would re-cast important roles as they came up), so it feels like a lot more continuous than the previous one.
I loved it. I've even payed to see it twice already. (My girlfriend wanted to go to the midnight showing, and I went with my brothers again the next day).
It was all sorts of awesome.
-kv
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Shadowcat and Nightcrawler have always been my favorite X-Men with Bishop and Gabit coming in second, right up to the point where Marvel made them both WIMPS!!!!! Personally, I can't wait to see the Sentinels. The art for them was included in the extras when X2 came out of DVD. I just hope the damn things aren't the old 1970's version but a bit more up to date. The sentinels in X-Men Evolution were actually pretty cool, but I know they wounl't reall be similar in the movie.
Gabriel
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Actually, there's been a different actress for Kitty in each of the three movies. Although considering she only had bit parts in the first two, I shouldn't be too surprised.
Heh, she was the reason I *went* to X3.
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Hmmm...
X-Men: Sumela Kay
X2: Katie Stuart
X3: Ellen Page
You're right! (Although since she's your favorite character, I'm not exactly suprised or shocked by this)
-kv
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Basically, here's how I got interested:
1) Walking through walls? Cool!
2) She's waay smart.
3) She can fight. Really well.
4) She has a pet dragon.
Things snowballs from there and I started buying as many of the comics involving her as I could find. Don't care if it's an actual issue or a Graphic novel. I buy 'em to read and reference for fanfics, not sit on a shelf looking pretty.
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You gotta love a girl who can beat the Juggernaut by doing NOTHING! Damn cool scene in the movie.
Gabriel
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I'M THE JUGERNAUGHT, BITCH!
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And she just grins and leaves through the wall.
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I love the fact that that line came from a spoof on the internet making fun of the Juggernaut. You just have to love when scrpit-writers watch the same crap as everyone else. ;)
Gabriel
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lol, yea that was funny. I think it was done by the same guys that did the Charlie Brown Kuwanza thing
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Didn't see that one. Post a link if you find it again.
Gabriel
PS - Any ideas one what X4 is going to be about???
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IF they follow this plotline to it's conclusion, I think that the Shi-Ar Empire shows up.
I really hope that doesn't happen. The Shi-Ar Empire is a pain in the ass.
I'm thinking (and hoping) that they follow Magneto, and let him set up Asteroid M, which means that A) Wolverine loses his adamantium, and B) Magneto gets Genosha.
In either case, I would like to see the introduction of Senitnels. (other than just a big head falling off and hitting the ground with a clang)
-kv
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I think it's over for Magneto as a constant plotline. I'm thinking you are going to see the sentinels in the next film as a blow-back from everything that happened in this one. Or possibly see Genosha setting up their mutant exploitation society. I could even see Apocalypse showing up. Now that Cyclops and Phoenix are in he position they are in. In fact, I could see Mr. Sinister showing up with Havoc.
But personally, I think they are going to hold off on all of it for a while. I doubt you'll ever see the Shi'ar, the Brood, or Mojo ever show up. Those are too sci-fi for the feel of the movie. Besides, the Brood was alway just a rip-off of Aliens anyway.
Gabriel
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They were always kind of crappy characters, too.
I mean, talk about dated hairstyles. Those characters are all straight-80s, and not afraid to admit it.
I'm hoping that Magneto becomes an even larger threat in this one- but I'm hoping for some severe distopian action. Rogue and Iceman breaking up, Rogue going... rogue, and getting involved with the people she did, because she doesn't feel like she fits in anymore, killing What-her-name, and then being able to fly and being almost a completely different person (with 50% someone else's personality, I kinda like the idea).
Of course, I always kind of had a soft spot for the Asteroid M stuff- I liked the idea of Magneto being able to pull something like that off.
Plus, it sets up Genosha, which means that Magneto pulls the adamantium out of Wolverine, and then Wolverine spends six months in the danger room, training to kill Magneto, and then finally does it.
That... that would be cool.
-kv
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what's-her-name was ms. marvel. And it's hard to say what they are gomma be doing. I was told saturday that the story they are using is loosly based off a comic that Joss Whedon wrote about the x-men. Either way it will be interesting.
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I thought X3 was based off one of Whedon's arcs? They had a mutant cure in the first arc he did in Astonishing. I mostly stopped reading when Colossus reappeared, though, so I never found out what happened.
Unless they're going to use the Danger Room becoming an AI and going nuts?
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um, i think that's what I said
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The danger Room became an AI?? Oh for crying out loud!!! First Cerebro goes AI and nuts, and now the Danger Room??? WHat the hell's next? The Evil AI Laundry Room??? Everyone gets EXTRA EVIL STARCH in the crotch of their super-hero clothes????
Gabriel (who is getting fed up with X-Men)
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That's why I write fanfics. I can create a divergent timeline that actually makes sense.
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Hell, AJ, I might have to get a subscription to your universe.
Gabriel
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Uhhh... Actually, I can't really blame them. They have to write comics with set characters, once a month, that are interesting enough for not only fanboys, but for people who walk by and glance at the book...
They have to write every comic as though it was the person's first comic book ever- the first two or three pages of every comic are fluff just for that purpose.
No matter who the writers are, they're constrained by the cast- which is why they introduce accessory characters, such as Gambit or Wolverine, who then re-live things that previous characters have already done.
I do like some of the current story arcs- at least, last time I read and xmen book- there was a corporation recruiting mutants as a kind of security force (like Xavier, only evil) and they even made a female clone of Wolverine, dubbed Weapon XIII. Why 13? I have no idea. But it was at least a little bit cool. They implied she was a clone in the comics, but in the updated Age of Apocalypse, she also shows up, and it's suspected that she's Logan's actual daughter.
Which was cool.
-kv
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That's X23, and yeah, she is an imperfect clone of Wolverine. With claws in her toes. Sigh. Oh well. After 40 years, what can you really expect. The only real problem I have with comics is the utter disdain they seem to have for continuity and a total lack of ability to keep a corpse a corpse. Hell, isn't Thunderbird back alive? He died in '73. Why in the world would they bring a character like that back? How many times has Magik been killed and reborn? I know of at least twice. And Colossus is back. He died. But not really. :banghead:
There's a reason I no longer collect X-Men comics.
Gabriel
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I think there've been three different Thunderbirds. The first, who died, his brother with similar powers who tried to get revenge because he blamed Xavier for the first's death, and an unrelated guy who produced plasma beams.
The current Magik (Last I checked) was Amanda Sefton who had switched code names when she took over Limbo.
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For all of that- how many times has Magneto been cloned/killed/mindwiped/replaced/dethroned?
I think this is the main reason that most people eventually grow out of comic books- there's only so many times you can read the same story (How many versions of Spawn did Todd McFarlane write? I read like ten, and they were all identical).
The writers have to constantly re-imagine the story, the characters, and the plotlines, and sometimes they get a little muddled.
I mean, I've had three different people explain SpiderMan's "Clone Saga" to me after reading it, and I think they just jumped through magical hoops to end it. ("Uh... nope, even though we did testing on both of you, apparently we were wrong, and Ben Riley was the clone after all.")
I stopped reading Spiderman comics after that. And Xmen when they killed Colossus in a way-too-Jesus-like scenario. "For Professor X so loved the world, that he sacrificed Colossus, so that all mutant kind might live...")
I do occaisonally pick them up and read them, just to see what there is to see, but I only rarely enjoy X-Men stories these days.
I loved Asteroid M/Wolverine losing his metal. (hated the follow-up where they actually drew him AS a wolverine, smoking a cigar and wearing the suit... I want to scrub my mental eye with a toothbrush)
I did enjoy Wolverine getting killed/turned by the Hand. Wolverine vs. Electra was cool. Wolverine vs. S.H.I.E.L.D. even better.
Ooh, and Sinister's satalite network that supressed mutation- where Wolverine was actually dying of adamantium poisoning, because of the stuff on his bones. And all the XMen were all jacked up, because they had no powers. That was cool.
-kv
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I don't read many current books. I might pick something up if it's got a decent Shadowcat story (The recent Shadow and Flame LS was good), but otherwise I pretty much ignore anything after Ellis stopped writing for Excalibur.
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i haven't read a comic book in about 10 years
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Well, the new Excalibur sucks big troll schlong. I recentely picked up a graphic novel of the Exiles and it's pretty good so far. There's not much character development in it at all, but the art is consitent and, well, I have to say that blue chicks with tails and pointy ears just plane turn me on. ;)
Gabriel, Elf Lover
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Dude... elves don't have blue skin or tails...
-kv
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I think he's refering to Talia Wagner: the daughter of alternate versions of Kurt and Wanda.
And I haven't read any of the current Excalibur books, but I have 1-103 plus annuals/special editions of the first series.
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did you just say tally wacker?
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did you just say tally wacker?
LOL!!!!! Instant Karma!
And yeha, I am talking about Nocturne, the alternate timeline Nightcrawler Jr. Mrs. They draw that character pretty hot. Of course, she pops up in the New Excalibur series and whoever is writing that series has de-balled her quite a bit. In fact, all of the heroes in the new team have been castrated. Hell, even the Juggernaut is appoligizing for knocking things over. WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ALL ABOUT?????
Anyway, i really like the original series, but the 2 new attempts to revive it just plane sucked.
Gabriel
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hahahhaa... and another from me!
-KV
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hehe, thanks :) and WTF! the world is goin to hell in a handbasket when jugernaut sais I'm sorry...
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Juggernaut showed up in an early first series issue. 3 or 4 I think. Captain Britain tries to take him on, gets beat up, and before Meggan can try, Shadowcat phases her to let Rachel psiblast Juggernaut.
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Oh... maybe I did read those... was that the series where the fish-boy joined the school, and then Xavier asked Cain (Jugg's real name) to be a teacher?
If I recall correctly, that series sucked something terrible.
-kv
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As for the plot of X4... I've heard that X3: The Last Stand is the last of the movies that will contain those characters (if you've seen the movie you'll know why), so if they make another movie then they will probably focus on some new characters, or the newer characters that were introduced in X3. Beast certainly would be up for an appearance in X4, should it be made.
Also, Hugh Jackman has signed on for a spin-off movie called (surprise) Wolverine, which IMDB indicates has Wolverine trying to find out more about his past. In it, he meets Gambit and also finds out that Sabretooth didn't die when he flew out of the Statue of Liberty. Sounds like it could be cool.
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Juggernaut showed up in an early first series issue. 3 or 4 I think. Captain Britain tries to take him on, gets beat up, and before Meggan can try, Shadowcat phases her to let Rachel psiblast Juggernaut.
Yeah, that was the original series. And boy did Captain Britain get slitch-slapped. As for the New Excalibur, yeah, it sucks big troll poll.
And you know, I really liked Beast in X3. I was worried that Kelsy Grammer wouldn't be able to pull it off, but I think he did great. The scenes at the end when all hell breaks loose and Beast and Wolverine are fighting next to each other were really well-done as far as the Beat's super agility angle goes. And I have to say, Shadowcat rocked! Except for the crappy purple piping in here uniform. That looked a little "Rasberry Beret" if you know what I man.
Gabriel
Gabriel
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Purple? Looked pink to me. If it'd been up to me, she'd've had a darker shade of blue. Or maybe grey.
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hey now aint no tight clad hero sucking on me
and as for x4 going to be kind of hard since i heard cyclpos dies in x3 and cain and xavier mending thier fences please like that would ever happen
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are you saying that juggernaught is a good guy now?
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In the comics he is. See what happens when you stop collecting comics for a few years? Imagine how surprised I was to find out that the White Queen, who is now going by her regular name of Emma Frost, has the mutant ability to become as hard as diamond. WHERE THE FRAG DID THAT COME FROM???? Apparently someone wasn't happy with her just being a world-classed telepath. Oh well...
Gabriel
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I think that happened when Genosha got fragged. She was teaching, Sentinel blasted the place, and Frosty survived because she turned to diamond.
Though she's unable to use her telepathy in that form.
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Well, as many times as she's been blasted by Sentinels, Pheonix, Professor X, etc. you'd think it would have kicked in sooner.
Gabriel
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Yeah, but how often has she had a building collapse on top of her?
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12
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12
And AJ gets schooled by Jester. :P
Gabriel
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*Shrugs* not like I kept up with what happened to the Stateside X-people during Excalibur.
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lol, that was a joke for all you who believed me
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Besides, they really dropped the ball on that whole aspect of the Excalibur storyline. For those of you who never followed it, Excalibur was formed by Nightcrawler and Shadowcat along with Rachel Summer (the daughter of Cyclops and Pheonix from an alternate future story arc: The Days of Futers Past), Captain Britain, and his lover Meghan. The premise was that the X-Men had been killed and the 2 remaining ones, Nightcrawler and Shadowcat, ended up in England and felt they should "carry on the fight" all the time not realizing that the X-Men escaped death in some absurdly unlikely way and were alove and well. The reason breaks down when you realize that even though the X-men were unable to be recorded by any technological means (thanks to some biff with magical powers) and therefore off of the international news, they would have certainly known about Excalibur's existance and activities and made contact with them. But for some reason, they never did.
So anyway, what all of this actually means is that there were quite a few fans out there who read Excalibur, but not the other X-books, and without the logical interaction, never really kept up with the storylines.
Gabriel
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I got into comics after Excalibur ended, but I'd done enough online research about Shadowcat to know which series to collect.
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Ah, I gotcha. I started collecting it at issue #1 and followed it all the way until it died. Talk about a bitter sweet journey. ;)
Gabriel
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It took me about a year to find all but the last 21 issues (although I'm missing -1 or 1/2 or whatever that Kurt/Amanda as kids was).
I liked Pryde and Wisdom! Why'd they break them up?
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Because Excalibur was used as a "start-up" comic for new artists and writers instead of as a continuity-based storyline. So you get some new writer at Marvel, the boss says,"let's see his stuff, but don't let him frag up anything important." The other boss then says, "Ok, chief, how about we put him on Excalibur, no one really pays much attention to that one anyway." And the boss says, "Great!" Hence, Douglock, Wolfsbane, Captain Britain becoming super-scientist for the last 6 issues, Kitty Pryde Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D., and of course Kitty and Pete breaking up.
Gabriel
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hey now aint no tight clad hero sucking on me
and as for x4 going to be kind of hard since i heard cyclpos dies in x3 and cain and xavier mending thier fences please like that would ever happen
Cyclops isn't the only one who dies.
But that doesn't mean that you couldn't have a string of new characters for X4. It's not as if the membership of superhero groups is constant. X3 introduces Shadowcat, Colossus and Iceman as full members of the team, and Beast comes back. It'd be pretty easy to come up with one of the storylines from the comic and use some different characters in it...
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Purple? Looked pink to me. If it'd been up to me, she'd've had a darker shade of blue. Or maybe grey.
If it had been up to me... ::)
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Well hellfire, if it had been up to me she would have been played by a particular actress whome I really like and would hav phased right out of that stupid uniform in scene one. ;)
Gabriel
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lol, that actually would have been funny. You know, I wonder if she had problems with clothes when she first got her powers? I think she did in one of the AU series they came out with, but as far as I know it was never an issue in the core series.
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Well I remember when Excalibur had to fly from England to New York with no jet and Captain Britan was holding Shadowcat as they flew. She tells him she needs to find somewhere to go to the bathroom really soon, and he says something like "Can't you just, you know, phase?" Personally, I think that was one of the best damn lines in a Marvel comic. ;)
Gabriel
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Yeah, and she makes them land on a ship...which turns out to have a really, really nasty bathroom.
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LOL, I bet she wasn't too worried about phasing when she saw THAT was she??? OF course it does bring up the point about just how much controll this character has with the phasing power. COULD she phase material out of her body? Think about if she gets something dropped in her drink. COuld she phase the liquid out of her stomach to get rid of the toxin? Or could she smuggle things by swallowing them and then phasing them out?
Gabriel
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I've got an issue where she phases the ink off a sheet of paper.
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Really??? Is that from Excalibur? Neet.
Gabriel
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It was from one of the special edition issues early in the series, Mojo Mayhem. Kitty had to keep track of the X-Babies while Mojo sent The Agent to trick/force them into signing contracts. Kitty phased the signatures off, nullifying the contracts.
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I have that issue, but I don't remember that part. Neat.
Gabriel
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It's near the end after little Longshot spikes The Agent's bag.
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i tell you now they made this last xmen movie "The Last Stand" for a reason.... the LAST stand you know. seems to me like it was made to die this time around.... but from what i hear it left it wide open for an x4 the next/new generation
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Pretty much. Of course, they raped the storyline like a virgin in the 9th Ward. So who can say what the next movie's plot will look like.
Gabriel
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Well, at that point in the storyline, the comic had written itself into a corner, too.
This was the point in the comic where the clone of the Professor came back from space with the Shi'ar and was able to walk and stuff, and then had an accident that left his body intact, but his mind was gone!
Also, I think Scott came back with them, also as a clone. Jean I think they just magik-ed away her extra powers, and she was back to normal.
Although I think it would be awesome to see Asteroid M as the next storyline. Perhaps those and the Sentinels, which they TOTALLY glossed over this movie.
Also, if you haven't bought this yet, don't. The 'extras' on it are lame, including two versions of a scene that was deleted, one where Magneto has a beard, and one where he doesn't. I didn't even remember seeing extra endings, like I was promised, but it was lameness X one million.
-kv
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I saw the alt endings kind of lame bought the triolgy
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honestly havn't watched it yet but will own it just to have the series
got one and two already y not three also
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I saw the alt. endings. They weren't much more than the minute and a half deleted scenes you normally get.
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So far, I think #2 was the best of the three.
Gabriel
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The only reason I liked 3 is 'cause they gave my fave character more than five seconds of screen time and a verbal mention. Just wish they'd gotten the Morlocks right and had a better story.
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Wait... the tatooed punkers were supposed to be the Morlocks?!?!!?
-kv
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Uh... yeah. Callisto was there leader. Of course, they fragged the morlocks up from one end to the other, not in the least making Arclight one of them. Arclight (if I'm remembering this right) is one of the Maruaders, and the people who tracked down and killed nearly all of the Morlocks during the Mutant Massacre storyline back in the 80's. ANd of course then they gave Callisto super speed for some damn reason. Oh well, hopefully the Spiderman franchise will have better scripting.
Gabriel
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Yeah, you're right about Arclight. The Marauders (if I remember correctly) were Arclight, Scalphunter, Harpoon, Vertigo, Riptide, Scrambler, and Sabertooth.
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There ya go. Yeat again another example of why you do NOT let hollywood writers frag with comicbooks.
Gabriel
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Well, I don't know that this would be the best example, because it was still a commercial success. I think Electra or Catwoman would be much better examples because they screwed with the characters, and the movies failed horribly.
Hell, I got to see them for free, and I wanted my money back.
-kv
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OUCH.
Gabriel
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I feel the same way, only more violently so, about seeing 'House of the Dead.'
Craptacular in every sense of the word.
-kv
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Never saw House of the Dead, but then I don't think I ever played the game, either.
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all I have to say is batgirl need I say more
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Ooh, and the 80s supergirl, the one with the evil witch!
But enough about that- which Nick Fury gets unlocked? The old white one with the greying temples, or the new one who happens to be black?
-kv
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Happens to be black? Was that supposed to be PC?? Just say the black Nick Fury. Happens to be black sounds like you're afraid of ofending someone by sayin the guy is black. Anyway, enough of that (I've had to deal with bigotted rednecks a lot latley so I'm a bit Anti-PC right now) has anyone seen anything on the Wolverine movie that is supposed to be coming out???
Gabriel
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oh watcch nick fury agent of s.h.i.e.d last night staring davaid hossleholdf they made shield look like a group of incompant idiots
they made the avg big city swat department look smarter and more compant
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Yeah, that movie had the Hasselhoff all over it. And by Hasselhoff, I mean shitty acting.
No, I was saying 'happened to be black' because I edited my statement about 'the crappy new Nick Fury, who happened to be black.'
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound PC on you.
-kv
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Ah, no biggy. You know how much I loathe the PC movement in this country. It can make me a bit rabbid at times.
Gabriel
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I'm still waiting for the violent backlash against all things PC.
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I give it another 10 years tops before you see the pendulum begin to swing back. Of course this is America, so it will swing WAY too far the opposite direction. Ain't societal momentum great??
Gabirel
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I mean lets get real here shield is suposed to be the most elite counterr terrism unit in the world and instead of taking out the bad guys before they can even set up they wait till its to late to prevent luanch with out the luanch codes
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its been awile since I saw the David Has-to-cough Nick Fury movie but I dont remember it being that bad. Of course keep in mind I also had on the "this is a tv movie so I cant expect much" filter on, and also it was made before the first X-Men movie and possibly even Blade so basically up to that point all comic book movies sucked wendigo schlong
oddly enough, I've been building a Nick Fury avatar in Second Life.
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Is he classic or the new Samuel L. Jackson version??
Gabriel
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classic of course
the only way to go
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So you're an old guy with one eye? Neet!
Gabriel
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ive done a fairly decent job of building the pistols for him too
I could have put more detail into them, and I might later but they are good enough for now.
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trust me even as tv moives go it was bad
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I've never been to Second Life, although I am a bit curious as to how things work on it.
Gabriel
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you can get a free acct and check it out
Im in a GL group
there are a few but ours is actually about service and proctection
theres pretty much a group for everything
ive tryed to build some "chromeware" but havent messed with it lately
as far as bad movies look at the Dolph Lundgren Punisher (of course it's hard to make Punisher interesting anyway) or that tv Dr Strange movie fromt he 70s
yikes!
or the capt america one
lol
or the 70s Spider-man show
wow
what a bunch of crap
lol