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General => Reviews => Topic started by: Jester on February 08, 2007, 05:01:13 AM
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http://www.transformersmovie.com/main.html
finally, a decent trailer :)
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I am SO fraggin' seeing that movie!!!!!!
Gabriel
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haha! me too ;D
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I've been told that Magatron will be a tank and Soundwave will be the helicopter. I kind of like the way they are doing complex transformations for the characters like Optimus Prime, and not just flipping the head up and arms out. I wonder how long it took to create the transofrmations and how acurate they are from a spacial point of view.
Gabriel (http://members.cox.net/gwire/Smiley - Transformer.gif)
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Actually, spatial awareness is apparently one of the sticking points the director was going for- he wanted these to be actual possible transformations, not just "CGI... fold out.... they're robots!"
I'm actually looking forward to this movie, but every time I heard about leaked photos, I wasn't able to find them in time. :/
-kv
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Really? I found a bunch of them. Bumblebee looks pretty good, and he's no longer a drekky VW Bug. Prime looks pretty good too, although he is a lot smaller in this version, so doesn't look as impressive as the original design. No definate pictures of Megatron yet. Some sketches show him as a wierd alien jet (which is stupid since there is no way in hell that wold blend in) and some photos show a really bad-hoop tank that is being labled Megatron.
Gabriel
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man, I haven't seen any photos either. And the reason bumblebee isn't a VW is because VW wouldn't give them permision to use the car
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I pretty much figured that this movies would be one big commercial for one or two different automotive manufacturers. There's no real reason some of the characters would be different vehicles accept for that.
Gabriel
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This is the page of pictures that I wanted to see before but couldn't find (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=115458).
-kv
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Those pics were awesome. Can't wait for the movie to come out.
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Now see, personally, I think megatron as an alien jet is just plain stupid. Not like he can ever blend in like that. Or scorponaut. What the hell is a PREDICON doing in this movie???
Gabriel
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who cares what scorpinoc is doin, he looks awesome!
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Yeah yeah yeah. A movie has to make sense you know. Just having a bigf robot doesn't make a good movie. After all, X-3 had the best special effects of all of the X-Men movies, but the storylike sucked donky hoop.
Gabriel
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Hopefully, the predacons and destructicons (who are also in the movie) are doing two things- fighting autobots and being awesome.
-kv
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You know I watched the show as a kid and didn't really think about seeing the movie. That was until I saw those drek hot pics!!! Okay when does it come out? And can I buy my tickets ahead of time...oh yeah one more thing *calls boss 'uh yeah I'm gonna need off on X date'*
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4th of July weekend, chummer. Fireworks and Autobots. Is there anything more american then celebrating with Chinese fireworks and Japanese CGI?? I think not! ;D
Gabriel
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Very American!
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Slightly more american than itallian-influenced animation!
Wait...
-kv
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Italian animation? There must be a Porsche in there somewhere.
Gabriel
PS - Do you think after this movie car manufacturers will start offering Autobot packages on vehicles? Like the embossed Autobot symbol on the back of Ironside's tailgate?
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lol, that would be awesome
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Im betting someone will offer just that, even if it is an after-market customization.
Gabriel
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I'd go for it...assuming I had the money.
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Me too. I'm thinking of having and Autobot symbol painted/stenciled on the roof of my civic.
Gabriel
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Civics should have a decepticon logo.
-kv
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Hey now! I like my Civic. And if Bumblebee can be a fraggin' VW Beetle, then my Civic can be an Autobot too.
Gabriel
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Sorry, VW bugs are happy and peaceful. Civics are used for deception and trickery.
It says decepticon all over it.
-kv
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I agree with KV...although my uncle has that new Civic and it's pretty cool looking, but is definately full of deception!
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Alright, I've had enough of this slander! Now tell me HOW a Civic can be a deceptive car and MAYBE I'll think you two have a pair of functional synapses between you.
Gabriel, toughy about his car...
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It was featured in The Fast and the Furious, nuff said...
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Never really cared for those movies.
Gabriel
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Well just the whole look of it. Especially the new one. It just looks like an evil face. And we had some of this beautiful icey/snow mixture and I swear it had lil horns stickin outta it! But other then that it's a nice car. Seems to be a lil accident prone...although that could be my uncle driving. :-\
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Gabe, how can you argue without being aware of the evidence? The Fast and The Furious is exhibit A in the Civics are Decepticons trial. You can't just ignore it because you didn't like it.
kv
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That's like judging a tank based on the war it was used in. Nest you'll be telling me the German Tiger tank was a piece of drek because it belonged to the fraggin' Nazis. Every country in the Alliance admitted it was far better than anything we fielded.
So take THAT Kid-I-Don't-Like-Civics_Vid.
Gabriel
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Actually the tiger tank was a piece of drek! No I'm just kidding...I wanted to get your worked up!
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:gabe:
You bastard!
Gabriel
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The tiger tank was a good machine, when it came to speed and maneuverability... actually, I'll be honest. I don't know anything about tanks. At all.
Of course, civics, those I see every day.
And if the tiger tank had been a symbol of the nazi party (jain, anyone?), like civics are a symbol of import racing, then yes, I would be justified in hating it.
Sucka.
-kv
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I'm going to make sure to rent one of those for your wedding and hav it sitting in the parking lot, blocking the limo. ;)
Sucka.
Gabriel
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I won't be in a limo. ;D
So rent all you want. I wouldn't mind having decepticons at my wedding!
-kv
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So what, a horse and buggy??
Gabriel
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Would it be a secret if I told you?
If it was a horse and buggy, I'd have some plastic gloves ready to give your decepticon a "present."
-kv
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No you need one of those new Rolls...the Phantom or something like that with the suicide doors! Yeah that would be PIMP!
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Huh... that actually would be pretty pimp.
-kv
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Hell yeah...have the whole shadowrun type wedding. You know wearing shades with your long coats...packin concealed pistols and smgs, having trolls running security...no being serious the most pimp thing is the honeymoon. Pick some kind of romantic island getaway and she'll be creamin the whole way there. Uh...can I say creamin or is that :censored: ?
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Not really, but you may want to watch it when you say it about someone's fiance'. We are killers for hire, after all.
Gabriel
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Yeah good point *looks around* I'm just havin a good time. I don't mean anything bad *looks around again* Yeah stick with the Phantom...that would be the most PIMP
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OH, and don't look so shifty. Kid_Vis a decker, not a street sammy. So you'll only notice his anger when you own 2000 shares of stock in a spoon company and the remained of your credit balance has been donated to Mothers of Metahumans.
Gabriel
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*Logs in to check account records* That mother :censored:er! Not only did my shares in Hostess corp miraculously disappeared but you were right my funds in my account were donated to MoM! Well I guess I get a big tax write off this year!
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So you're a runner with a SIN and a tax record? Nice knowing you Krazi. Maybe you'll survive your next trip to the mall before Lone Star drops on you.
Gabriel
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Hey I might have a shadow SIN...you know a front for when I need to mingle in the real people's world. I prefer the shadows...I guess it's always been my home! :-X
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Well, you would get a tax break, but someone reported you to the IRS for irregularities. Sorry about that. Once I get on a roll, I pull out all the stops and dirty tricks.
-kv
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Not really, but you may want to watch it when you say it about someone's fiance'
Especially when said fiance reads the boards. Regularly. ;)
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See that, just one mistep and this whole den of thieves desends on you. Can't you just feel the love, Krazi??? ;)
Gabriel
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I feel it and loving every moment of it. Geez it really does feel good to be back. But I am sadden that nobody has offered me a damn twinkie yet!
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I'll give you a damn twinkie baby, lol :o
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Ok...
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Watch out, she has a strange idea of what the word Twinkie means. You might be getting a surprise, chummer. :o
Gabriel
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lol, since I own all the twinkies you can have a whole case
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lol, the twinkie he'll be getting is what ya'll give him, lol
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He's not a troll is he? If so, Kid_Vid might give him YOUR kind of Twinkie. :-X
Gabriel
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I'll take a case a twinkies! Yummy...and Nike I'll give you some twinkie later ;)
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Im not feeling up to par if you know whatta mean. I might take a rain check though ;)
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LOL, ok, so I'm wondering if there will be any of the female transformers in the movie. Didn't they have one or two just before the series and toys dried up?
Gabriel
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I don't remember if they had female transformer's...*thinks hard* Ouch, no I don't remember, but I'm sure they will....
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Uhhh... they're robots. Technically sexless. But yeah, I think they were trying to appeal more to young girls right before the series got cancelled... then again, it came back when my baby brother was into cartoons and stuff, and was this whole CGI cartoon thing.
Man, the writing was aweful. But it was pretty awesome CGI.
-kv
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At least they could shoot in Beats Wars. I've seen Optimus Prime shoot the the seatbelt off of spike from 100 yards while the kid was travelling 60 miles an hour, and then miss Megatron (an 80 foot tall robot) at point blank range while stationary. I hated that.
Gabriel
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Yeah, but hopefully this will be a lot better. From what I understand, the guys writing it were into the cartoon as kids (like we were) but now they're grown up, so they wanted a more grown up action movie to be awesome and excited about.
From what I've heard, they actually got what they wanted.
-kv
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Well, I just hope Meagatron looks good. The alien plane idea just pissed me off.
Gabriel
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Would you rather he turned into a 60 foot gun? That'd be really covert.
-kv
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Nah, I liked the idea of him as a tank better. That made sense. The evil robot leader with a huge gun turning into a massive armored vehicle with a huge gun. What can i say, it made sense.
Gabriel
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True that. I don't know why they can't or aren't making him a tank. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense...
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yea, tank woulda been better. But it looks like we're stuck with him as a jet
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Well, these guys grew up on the same TV that we (or at least I) did, and Megatron wasn't a tank. In fact, Megatron was one of the few who could change into more than one thing- he could be this futuristic jet-fighter (I didn't know what a F18 was back then) or this gun that the other decepticons could hold.
At least it was better than the transformer who turned into a cassette tape.
-kv
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At least it was better than the transformer who turned into a cassette tape.
Hell yeah! I remember him...
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wait, I don't remember megatron transforming into anything other than a gun that soundwave would shoot with. But it was a long time ago...
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Your point isn't exaclty valid, Kid_Vid. Whenever a new transformers series started, they always reworked the characters and then stuck in Optimus Prime and Megatron to fit the setting. Megatron was a gun in the original (and if an 80' robot can become a small hand gun, then why can't a cassette tape become a 7' tall robot?) then he was melted down and turened into Galvatron in the movie and futuristic series that followed it. In that incarnation he was a huge cannon. In Beast Wars he was a T-Rex whose head became his main cannon and in Energon he was a massive tank.
So let's no mince words here, he has always been a a character with a huge main weapon. Turning him into a jet is just stupid. How many jets do you see with a massive main gun? None. Well, maybe the A-10, but you can only fire the main gun for 3 seconds or it slows the plane down. The point being, if htey had to rework the transformers to adhere to the Law of Conservation of Mass, then why not a tank? A plane needs to be streamlined, and one with a cannon like Megatron usually has in just not feasible.
Gabriel
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I thought megatron was able to transform into a gun OR a plane.
-kv
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Nope.
Gabriel
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"...and restores him to life as Super Megatron (who transformed into a futuristic jet), pitting him against the reborn Optimus Prime."
From Wikipedia. Bizatch.
-kv
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megatron
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Did we ever determine who the cassette tape transformer was?
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No, I don't remember, but I found out why I thought that megatron could be a jet or a gun.
After G1, restrictions went into effect in the US making it nearly impossible to make a toy gun. Megatron was "reborn" as a F-22 style stealth jet, so that he could continue to be merchandised, dispite there being no story of any kind to back up the change.
So I was thinking toy + character on cartoons = character.
Gabe, you were technically correct. ;D
-Matt
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Did we ever determine who the cassette tape transformer was?
Ravage, Rumble, Frenzy, and Laserbeak. There were four of them. Two were humanoids, one was a panther, and one was a bird. They popped out of Soundwave's chest as Decepticon reinforcments.
And Kid_Vid, you should know that Wikipedia is NOT a reliable source of information. I should smite you for even referenceing that site. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Gabriel
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haha. you beat me to it gabe. I was about to tell him about wikapedia too :)
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Fast draw Gabriel, that's me. ;)
Gabriel
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or is it fast draw gabe, that's what your GF told me anyway...
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:::gurmble grumble grumble:::
Gabriel
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or is it fast draw gabe, that's what your GF told me anyway...
Now that is just hitting below the waist...literally...but that is funny though!
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Wikipedia is as reliable, if not more, than other internet sources. Typically people with specalized information update the pages they are in the know about, with only the 'hot topic' pages, like Keith Olbermann or Bill O'Reilly getting changed back and forth according to 'page wars,' from thier respective fans and detractors.
But whateva. It where I look first, because if it doesn't have complete information, it gives me enough details to find complete information on my own.
-kv
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I've never used Wikipedia...normally I either already know the information, or I go directly to the source...
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I find that when I need to start research on something, Wikipedia is a good place to start. Especially when the articles are referenced, and you can look up the links on it to research the references they give.
I did a paper on scientific research into homosexuality, and wikipedia gave me some awesome references (specifically, an article in the Boston Globe about two studies about homosexuality and the brain).
I'm not saying that it's infallible, or that it's the be-all and end-all of reference materials, but it's where I look when I need a quick review of good information. If the page looks like it's been hit by trolls or code kiddies, I just hit a metasearch engine instead.
-kv
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lol, code kiddies. that's funny. I just find it hard to trust anything that any stooge can go in and change willie nillie without any regard for any facts.
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I did a paper on scientific research into homosexuality, and wikipedia gave me some awesome references (specifically, an article in the Boston Globe about two studies about homosexuality and the brain).
Do I want to know why you picked homosexuality???
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Because I wanted a logical and scientific argument against it. I've heard far too many times that homosexuality is "genetic" because people were "born that way," and it's bulldrek.
For instance, there were two competeing studies- one by a homosexual doctor in san diego, inspecting the brains of dead homosexual men (all of his test subjects died of AIDs, but that apparently wasn't considered a factor), and he found that the anterior commisure was larger in homosexual men than in heterosexual men. But... since all of the subjects died from AIDs, isn't it possible that the growth of the anterior commisure was because of the disease, rather than from a lifestyle choice.
Another of this guys' studies showed that when you have two identical twins (with identical DNA- which identical twins do have) that when one twin is gay, the other has a 50% chance of also being gay. 50%. Not 100%, which you would expect to see if this was a 'genetic' condition, not even 75%, which would indicate that it's a predisposition, with hormonal influence involved.
My argument is that he's using bad science (or presuming from results that he is correct in what ideas he already has... which is bad science), to support his theories, even when they're giving contradictory evidence, or even evidence that has no bearing on his argument.
But yeah... those transformers. Shia LeBeof is in this movie, right?
-kv
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Sorry not tryin to sway to far off topic, but to keep with what you researched. Isn't it true that 10% of our DNA is still unmapped, which some scientists believe is our "soul"? And if so, is it possible these "genetic" desires could be found there? I don't really care what their choice is, everyone is allowed their own choice in life. I don't agree with it, but that's just my opinion just like my asshole, its mine!
So yeah, when was this movie due to be released?
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If it was genetic, then two people with identical genes would have identical genetic expression. For instance, if two identical twins have family history of a certain type of cancer, only one of them needs to be tested for it, at least at a young age. Later in life other factors can come into play, but at young ages, identical twins are just that-identical.
The human genome is completely mapped. They're not sure what all the bits and peices do, but they know where all of them are, and they're constantly experimenting to see what the parts we don't understand do.
Not a lick of actual scientific research has ever corroborated the idea that homosexuality is genetic. Not one. Even the "esteemed" reports I found were poorly done, even if by expert researchers. I think one of the big problems is that no one is approaching this with an open mind. People expect to be proven right, and they find evidence that supports that theory, even if other evidence would normally lead them to question the findings.
I know a lot of people who say that homosexuality is genetic. I don't beleive that to be the case, and after all the research I've done, I'm not swayed in the slightest. Maybe that lumps me in with the people who refuse to see opposing evidence, but I actually approached my research in the honest desire to find fact. I found a lot of posteuring, and a lot of bad science, and a lot of quoted bible verses, but I didn't find anything that said that homosexuality is genetic. Or cause by physical anatomical differences. There is no difference between the brain of a healthy homosexual subject and a healthy heterosexual one, aside from slight brain pattern differences that differ between everyone- even identical twins.
*cough*
Okay, so I think this movie comes out over July 4th Weekend.
-Matt
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class dismissed :jester:
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Great Ghost, I get a migrane for a day and we go from transformers to gay-brains?
I Just want ROOTless to admit that I have NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. This time. ;)
Gabriel
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ok a cpl sore sticking p[oints for me on moive bumble bee should not be a muscle car his role on the team was a spy not a fighter the cop car should be the autobot prowl ironhide should be a van
and yes there are female autobots in all the verious transformer seris
and there should be at least 1 airplane autobot
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So are we in agreement that we all see this opening day then spending Saturday morning posting about it instead of watching cartoons?
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LOL, I think I can handle that. :)
Gabriel
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LOL ;D
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Yeah, I think every nerd on the planet will line up to see a movie based on a cherished childhood memory NOT being sodomized, and I hope this teaches Hollywood to make more good movies. But who am I kidding? They made a live action movie version of Fat Albert, AND two Charlie's Angels movies.
This will probably make them want to do another one. *shudder with hate*
-kv
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you didnt think fat Albert was funny? I did, but due to me watching with my little girl. I kinda grew into liking it..
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I grew up on the Bill Cosby jokes, and a little of the tv cartoon... so I was kinda horrified that they made it into a movie. I never saw it, but those were only two examples of the plethora of movies that have been (badly) made of classic cartoons.
-kv
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Don't forget Josy and the Pussycats. Or the Flinstones, both 1 & 2. You just have to wonder who the hell green-lights these things...
Gabriel
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lol, and then infamous D&D movies. Anyway, I rarely ever go see a movie on opening night. I usually wait a week or 2.
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So do I. I hate crowds. But I might make an exception of Transformers.
Gabriel
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to be fair the second d&d moive was acturaly quite good
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lol, not really. It was better than the first, but still pretty bad
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The second one? Wrath of the Dragon God? The only thing that I didn't like about it was that the lich looked... dumb. Oh, and that they introduced a D&D-specific prestige class, namely, the wizard-priests.
I did think it was cool that the best friend priest got totally killed like fifteen minutes into the movie.
-kv
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a freind ha it on dvd they actruly stuck to the gaming books on it each actor was handed the roleplaying section in the book for thier charter
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well that was cool
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At least someone did some research. Most mass genre films have actors who have no idea what they are about.
Gabriel
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Like Jeremy Irons is the D&D movie? (OOh! Three month old burn!)
Okay, now that more commercials and stuff are out there, what are everyone's thoughts on the Transformers movies? For me, I could care less if they use the 'original' cars from the cartoon, but the transformations look pretty damn cool.
Oh, and I heard Hugo Weaving (Agent Smith) is the voice of Megatron. :D
-kv
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I am so going to see this!
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Yeah I would really like to see this, but damn if I ever have time to do anything...
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doh, that sux!
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Anyone else going to weigh in on this one?
Thus far, it looks like Michael Bay might have actually been the right choice to direct this movie.
Weird. I feel like my world is upside down.
-kv
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am paning to see it
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Well, this movie is coming out on the weekend I am scheduled to have moved 1000 miles from my home, so I think I will certainly need a bit of a pick-me-up. As for the transformations, I happen to think they should be a bit more vehicle-representative. And by that I mean that with the original toys and cartoon, when a transformer transformed, you got to see aspects of the vehicle it represented. Optimus Prime's chest windows, Megatron's bazooka, the winch on Prowl's chest, these are all links to the vehicles/object that represent the personality and character of the transformer. From the scenes I have watched of this movie, these touches seem to be greatly lacking. Of course, this may not be the case, as the commercials are very lean with the actual character scenes, but the mock-ups I've seen of Bumblebee and Prime were pretty definative.
Gabriel
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http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/transformers.html;_ylt=ArEM1zapuCINw9Kuq6Dd90hfVXcA (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/transformers.html;_ylt=ArEM1zapuCINw9Kuq6Dd90hfVXcA)
A couple 30 second clips, but the transformations look awesome!
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You know, I still don't think they look right. Oh well. I guess moving "liquid metal" lips would look a bit stupid in real life, too, so I guess this works.
Gabriel
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I think the CGI looks great!
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Oh I do too! I just think they "look" of the transformers is a bit too modern. I like when an autobot LOOKED like an autobot. You know, incorporating elements of the actual car into the humaniod design. But when it comes right down to it, these are aliens, why would they evolve fenders and tires that look like earth vehicles in the first place?
Gabriel
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Uhhh... they didn't. They adopted those disguises ("Robots in disguise") so that they could move around the country without creating panic.
I don't know exactly why decepticons did it, though. That part was never clear to me.
-kv
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Well from what I gather, the one does sorta look like the car after it transforms.
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In the original series on TV, the transformers looked the same in humaniod mode on Cybertron as on Earth. But when they transformed, they looked totally different. So, the elements of the humaniod modes that resembled ear vehicles (grills, windows, bumpers, etc.) had to become a part of an alien aspect. That's all I'm saying.
Gabriel
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I havent cared for the previews Ive seen
its like they are making it a monster movie
It kinda reminds me of that Godzilla movie they made
like how all comic book movies have black leather or rubber
trying to make things that are already cool on their own "cool" in a different way and losing what was cool about them in the first place
im nervous
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I'm still looking forward to seeing it. But I said the same thing about TMNT and never saw that :(
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just saw it was very good well written and cant wait for the sequel