Shadowrun Pub
General => Reviews => Topic started by: BornKrazi on February 08, 2007, 09:33:51 AM
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Okay I know this has been asked a lot, but I'm curious as to what movies would qualify as QUALITY Shadowrun-type movies. I heard Italian Job, that was good. As well as Heist, also good. But those didn't really paint me a picture of a Shadowrun type environment. I remember a movie from years ago that reminded me a lot of Shadowrun...what was the name. Johnny something with the guy from The Matrix. Anybody know what I'm talking about?
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I suggested both the Italian Job and the Heist. As you have pointed out, they are modern-day movies, so they have NOTHING to do with the SR background world. What I was refering to that they illustrate HOW to conduct a shadowrun. The planning and organization involved in a run is very well represented in both movies.
Now, as to the setting, well there is always Bladerunner. It's gritty, and a good sensory impression of an SR setting, but not much else. Johnny Mnemonic is the one with Keanue Reeves, and may be a pretty fair approximation of SR, but I have to say that I HATE that guy, and the movie just got really stupid at the end. It is good for setting, however, so I have to agree with you and put it on the list.
Other than those, I'm not really sure. I have seen one recently that was shockingly similar to some of our SR games, but for some reason I can't bring it to mind at the moment. Kind of the mental equivalent of being on the tip of my tongue.
Gabriel
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Yes I think I know what you're talking about. It is a recent movie. I can't think of the name either. And yes I agree with you 100% that those two movies represent how a Shadowrun should be conducted. I think Ronin was pretty good as far as how it should be conducted. Plus it added an "out of town" experience which is crucial for the newbies.
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Oh I forgot abotu Ronin. Although I only saw it once, so I don't really remember that much about it. I loved the part in the Hest where they are going through the sewares with a GPS tracker and marking escape routes on the corresponding maps. Damn good iea.
Gabriel
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Yeah no kidding. I tell you watching some of those movies totally changed the way I play the game. I've definately learned to have multiple escape routes. You never know when a small army of heavily cybered gun totin' trolls block your number one exit and you end up having to blow a hole in the side of a building and jump in that filth they call water only to be attacked by a couple paracritters that are very hungry. (sorry I had a GM who was having a very bad day, I ended up just excepting defeat...no matter how I rolled or what great plan of escape I came up with, he made sure something bigger and badder was there to stop me)
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I like the original Italian Job better than the remake, but the new one has some good moments heist wise.
There is a movie that has a pretty good feel, its odd ,but I like that way - it stars Rutger Hauer and all he ever seems to consume is coffee and chocolate, and I believe there is a sewer monster involved. Its been years since I saw this on late night TV, any one know it?
Also try the BBC miniseries Neverwhere by Neil Gaiman. Its available on DVD.
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Wait, you think Neverwhere is a good potrayal of shadowrun? I've read the book twice and listen to the audio adaptation once in a while, but I can't see where you are going with this one, Zone. I'm really curious as to your reasoning on this one.
Gabriel
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I think the movie refered to above was Johnny Mnemonic - based (loosely!) on the short story by Gibson.
I have also recommended Strange Days and Nikita (french version).
Also of potential interest might be Trainspotting (well, not really, but nice gritty gutter feel here) and or perhaps Leon.
And ofcourse, Tarantino fans have a few other pieces as well.
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I have to agree with ROOTless. Leon, (aka the Professional) was a great movie, Strange Days is very Shadowrun, and...
I'm wondering why no one else is saying it, but Minority Report was a pretty awesome SR-style movie.
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Cut back on the super-sci fi of Minority Report and I can see it. I LOVED the street doc and nurse in that movie.
Gabriel
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Well, you don't even need to cut back on the sci-fi elements, other than the three "sisters" who see and know all.
Of course, that would make a pretty awesome SR storyline anyway.
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I'm wondering why no one else is saying it, but Minority Report was a pretty awesome SR-style movie.
A tad high tech for my (SR) tastes.
But the doc was great.
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What did they have in the movie that they didn't have in Shadowrun (aside from the aforementioned sisters)? Flying packs- check. Stun rods- check. Cars that look like that- check. Retinal scanners- check. RFID scanners- check.
Plus, that street doc was awesome!
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Let's see, they had vertical highways, a totally divergent social setting, a really pretty metroplex, police who CARE, precognetive triplets, and Tom Cruise.
Gabriel
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I actually think a good movie on how to conduct yourself professionally on a run is Ocean's 11. Not 12, that one kinda sucked.
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Yes Ocean's 11 was good...and The Professional was one of my favorite movies from back then. I appreciate all the help. Minority Report did have a great Street Doc in it. I was basically tryin to find some movies for my fiance to watch...she is tryin to get into Shadowrun for my sake and I figured this would help her to better get a "feel" for what the world was like. We did a few cheesy StufferShak runs, and now I'm gettin her ready for a little bit of a bigger run with my brother as well. Although he's young so I have to keep my runs sorta PG-13ish.
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PG-13 in Shadowrun? Huh, that might be interesting. ;)
Gabriel
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Well I gotta keep any sexual content low...but other then that I'm pretty graphic with the killing. He has a pretty bad ass troll I might add. He was able to take a cannon blast to the head and was concious long enough to put a shotgun blast between his attackers eyes. Then he fell out (he's my bro and he was gettin emotional his Troll was gonna die, I figured he could at least kill the guy who killed him). But then I forgot he had a DocWagon contract so he was rushed to the closest ER and when we last left off he had just come home to his apartment broken into...looks like the guy he killed had friends...
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Wait, you think Neverwhere is a good potrayal of shadowrun? I've read the book twice and listen to the audio adaptation once in a while, but I can't see where you are going with this one, Zone. I'm really curious as to your reasoning on this one.
Gabriel
Grungy and magic. It was the only combo of the two I could think of.
So no one knows the Rutger Hauer movie? I have to check indb myself?
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Except for location and lack of magic, Firefly/Serenity was pretty similar to Shadowrun: They'd do a job and hope they didn't get screwed over by the person paying them. And there were lots of guns.
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Speaking of guns, did anyone already mention Equillibrium?
Ahhh... gun kata.
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It's funny you say that cuz I just blew the dust off the dvd and was going to watch it last night. Now my question was how do you incorperate that into Shadowrun. Would it like a physad or more of an unarmed combat thing. Or would it be like and edge giving you +1 dice to pistols or something. Any ideas?
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Except for location and lack of magic, Firefly/Serenity was pretty similar to Shadowrun: They'd do a job and hope they didn't get screwed over by the person paying them. And there were lots of guns.
Damn good point. In fact, the episode "Ariel" IS a shadowrun, plane and simple. You don't get more in-game then that one. It's my favorite.
Gabriel
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When I made a character named Clerick John Preston for my brother, he was a physical adept with Improved Initiative, Improved Combat Skills (Pistols) and the ambidexterity 6 edge.
Everything else I let him worry about.
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Hmmm...good idea. I always wanted to make a character that had Gun Kata. But from what I gathered it's almost a lifestyle. Like a monk or something. They dedicate their lives to perfecting it...so I'm tryin to figure out how I would resemble that in a shadowrun character.
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Physads are supposed to basically be kung-fu monks, so that's what I went with. It was simple enough to make, it just made him really REALLY powerful. I don't ever want to see another character whip out 12 dice per shot EVER AGAIN. The only things he couldn't kill easily were powerful spirits and vehicles. Of course, he could damage them, but it took time.
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PhysAds are a hell of a lot more than monks. Get a copy of SOTA '64 and check it out. THere is a bunch of PA information in that book.
Gabriel
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Damn good point. In fact, the episode "Ariel" IS a shadowrun, plane and simple. You don't get more in-game then that one. It's my favorite.
Ah, yes. The hospital job. "Trash" was another good one.
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Yep, forgot about that one. I believe that was one of the unaired episodes, thus, I haven't seen it as much. But you're right, damn good shadowrun.
Gabriel
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It was in the box set. I was never able to watch when Firefly was on (bad timing), so I've only really seen it on DVD.
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So I broke down and watched Equalibrium last night. I'm thinkin I know how I can convert that to Shadowrun. First off they'd have to be a physad and definately a high level initate. But for starter characters they'd still be in training (much like his son in the movie). The various levels of initate would be Gun Kata, which I'm guessing would add to your dice or something like that (i'm still not sure yet on that). Plus all the rest of the edges you'd need, etc etc. So I might give it a try. We'll see. I'll let you all know what I turn out with.
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Well, with each level of initiate, you could spend adept points to reflect greater training in pistols (improved combat skill- pistols), and if you initiate once or twice... whoo. Ouch.
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Definately sounds good. I'm still tossin the idea around, I got the paper and penicl's out, but I have so much other planning going on tryin to help my brother with his "SUPER VAMPIRE" complete with cyberware. But yes badass movie and definately do-able!
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You know, all of this sounds VERY munchkinesque. A pistol adept would REALLY throw off game balance. And a cybernetic vampire? Well, vampire regenerate, it doesn't matter if they had chrome before they were turned, the regenration still kicks in and repairs taht "damage" regardless.
Gabriel
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Oh I understand that Gabe...but see this brings me back to that post were I mentioned the Shadowrun novel The Terminus Experiment. In that book it explained how it would be possible for a vampire to possess cyberware and it not be kicked out during regen. Sort of like it's part of the natural body. Something about the Delta strain. So naturally I ok'd my lil bro to have it. I mean even though WE know how that can be unbalancing, my bro is still a noob and will more then likely suffer some sort of blunt force trama to the head and/or spine which would impare his regenerative ability thus killing his vampire and making him go back to his ugly troll who might I add was attacked by a devil rat after he arrived for a meet and was preparing to enter the rear entrence of the club (sorry but I enjoy picking on him, isn't that what brothers do?) Yet might I add that I sacrificed one of my high level characters to save his troll's life. My expert rigger took a sniper bullet to her left nipple and into her lung and died on the scene.
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She got sniped by a devil rat? That's one nasty rat! ;) But I see your point about letting him create the guy and then kill him off. Get it out of his system I suppose. Good idea.
Gabriel
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Exactly. See I am beyond fair as a GM and I always let my players know up front. Half of you will not survive. That's just how I do. When I do a run I always script like it is some kind of epic world changing run. You'll end up making a drekload of cred and meeting some of the highest level shadow players. Drek, Tiger has Richard Villers, and Damieon Knight on his speed dial! You'll make a bunch of karma to boot. Now for my PBP run I'm not gonna be so..."dramatic" if you will. But I will promise it won't be easy. It's the nature of the business, and some players lose that concept!
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If you want a movie that can show you how a shadowrun can be botched, watch the Ladykillers with Tom Hanks. It's funny, and anything bad that can ruin a plan happens. Recommeded for comically evil GM's.
Doom the movie hits my list as well. High tech (Ignore the teleportation for now. . .) Lots of guns and assume the demons are just angry spirits. Pretty good for a gritty-about to die- situation.
The Alien Series, has some valid points about advanced tech, AI, and paracritters.
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Personally, I like numbers 2 and 4 for this kind of thing. #2 becasue it's your average bug-hunt and #4 because you coudl adapt it to any kind of high tech/industrial setting and substitute the aliens for bug spirits. Fun fun fun.
Gabriel
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The only part of DOOM the movie that I liked was after his sister injected him and made him superhuman. The camera angles made me think I was playing the game myself!
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I never had the faintest desire to see that movie.
Gabriel
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I never had the faintest desire to see that movie.
Neither did I, but there was nothing else on tv, and it was the only movie starting on HBO so I watched it. I mean I'll watch any movie once, but this movie I would not watch a second time.
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I just can't stand The Rock. I mean come on, they guy got acting lessons from WRESTLING! Doesn't sound like an Oscar winner to me.
Gabriel
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Oh hell no the acting sucked donkey nuts...can I say that on here? Anyway, even the action really didn't make it worth watching, although I wouldn't mind playing with the BFG...
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I think I'd rather play the game than watch the movie...which is really saying something since I generally have low interest/attention span when it comes to most video games.
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I think I would rather play the game too. But I actually really like video games so that wouldnt be much of a dilema 8)
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Hey, say what you want about wrestling (I hate it, personally) but the Rock can pick a movie- not only was Doom pretty entertaining, but he was also in "The Rundown," which is the funniest thing I've seen with Stifler in it for a long time.
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The graphics always sucked for Doom...The Rock sucks too for that matter, but then again I've never been a fan of wrestling. Well I take that back, I do like the Undertaker, only cuz he's got some phatty bo batty music.
Oh and just in case you're wondering, you gotta remember USA is my fav network so I'm seeing commericals for Monday Night Raw...
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Yeah, I see the same commercials. I love Psych. ;D
Anyway, how about those Shadowrun-style movies?
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hmm, what about U-571? True, it's WWII and military, but stealing a sub to get encryption codes? Not to mention how quickly the drek hit the fan.
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Never thought of it like that. I guess it would be an ancient version of Shadowrun...but still good enough to qualify I guess.
I think the name of the movie was Paycheck....that sorta had a shadowrun feel to it, even if it was just from the technology aspec...
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I'm suprised that none of these were mentioned. But how about the ghost in the shell series and movie, and appleseed. I like how their matrix is mostly iconic, and has barriers to hack. High tech, the stories reveal a lot about the humanity of the characters, teamwork is critical, and it shows just how deep some plots can run. Not much magic though, but just pull some ideas from other anime.
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Appleseed had a good monofilament whip in it, too.
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I could never get into the whole anime thing...I kinda outgrew cartoons many years ago...
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A lot of anime isn't exactly kids' stuff. its just the perception Americans have because of Disney and Looney Tunes and stuff.
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Oh I know its not kid stuff, the first anime I watched was like a cheap porn. And I saw part of the movie The Ghost in the Shell or Machine or something like that. I just found it difficult to really get into it. Maybe I just don't get it...
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Could be. Not everyone likes anime. I consider myself a fan, but I'm pretty particular on what I watch - Cowboy Bebop, yes. Inuyasha, Dragon Ball Z, Naruto, Neogenesis Evangallion, no. Early Robotech, yes. Later Robotech, no. Ghost in the Shell, hell Yes. Akira, Hell yes. Anything with love triangles, people crying milk, and cheap porn, no.
Ghost in the Shell: Stand alone Complex. Hell yes.
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Ouch.
Gabriel
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Care to elaborate on that Gabe?
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My uncle has a bookshelf full of Robotech dvds...maybe I'll sit down and watch one...
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They have really poor quality of animation, but as the animation really improves, the storylines get worse and worse. Up through about the end of the first Macross saga is good. Anything after that, I won't be responsible for you watching.
I also highly reccommend Akira and Cowboy Bebop.
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I'm not gonna pay to watch them, but if I run across them, I might check them out!
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You can usually find Cowboy Bebop on KaZaA or other completely legal downloading systems, but Akira is much harder to come by. If you're too cheap to rent it (and I can understand that, but it's well worth the rental price if you can find it anywhere), you could always go camp out in a Barnes and Noble and read the books. There's a bunch of them, and they go much further than the movie does. MUCH further. Like the time Tetsuo takes out an American aircraft carrier by himself.
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Wow.
I've only seen the movie once, though, and it was a few years ago.
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Yeah, there are like five books of the collected comics, and they're pretty awesome.
Anyway, we're talking about movies, not sci-fi influences.
Although, now that I think about it, 4th Edition seems pretty heavily influenced by manga and especially by Ghost in the Shell.
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Okay I know this has been asked a lot, but I'm curious as to what movies would qualify as QUALITY Shadowrun-type movies. I heard Italian Job, that was good. As well as Heist, also good. But those didn't really paint me a picture of a Shadowrun type environment. I remember a movie from years ago that reminded me a lot of Shadowrun...what was the name. Johnny something with the guy from The Matrix. Anybody know what I'm talking about?
were you refering to johnny menomic
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what about the league of extronany gentalmen witch hunter robin trinty blood cyborg 2 firestarter
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In a sense you can almost take any action movie and find something about it that would have a shadowrun feel to it. I guess I'll just have to gather some of you together and make one myself! Anybody interested?
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I dibs casting director...
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Well, if Zone is going to be casting director, then I don't think youu'll be seeing any of us in the production. :'(
Gabriel
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Well, maybe. Is this movie going to have idiots?
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Actually, it's too bad we don't have the rescources to make a C.L.U.E. File movie. Now THAT would be entertainment.
Gabriel
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That would be interesting.
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I could see someone doing that as a fan-film type of thing, but to do it right, you would need some really spectatular special effects.
Gabriel
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yea, I guess that would be interesting :D
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Well I can provide digital filming and editing. As far as special effects, I though Kid_Vid was the decker genius... We can make it happen...We'll make our big debut at GenCon
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acturaly its ruski the computer genuis
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LOL, GenCon. I think we would get run out on a rail if we tried to crash that party.
Gabriel
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That's true...I'd actually like to go and play one time...but it always happens when my funds are low... :(
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Yeah, and they just cancelled the GenCon by me (in Los Angeles), so I'd have to travel out and see you cobbers at your show.
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I think the closest GenCon to me is in Ohio or something like that.
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Indiana is apparently thier biggest one.
My friends and I were thinking of going to some Conventions this year- especially with ComiCon not an hour away.
But what movies still make us think of Shadowrun?
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KV always wanting to stay on track...I think Mercy mentioned in another post about XXX being a decent Shadowrun movie...any comments on that?
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If you're running a solo for someone, sure, but most Runs (Like most RPG's) focus on a small team rather than a single player.
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Have the Mission Impossibles been mentioned yet. They totally fit the bill.
Teamwork, betrayals, intrigue, stealth, techy gadgets.
Although I've only seen the first one.
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Yeah, but who wants to hear that kind of music on a run?? ;)
Gabriel
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ah but xxx could be modifyied or dresdinfiles or the pretender or the shadow modify for a team
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The third Mission Impossible movie was totally a run. Especially with him shooting out the window and having to bail from halfway up the building.
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And I think I'd like having the Mission Impossible theme in my head. And sometimes I like solo runs...it's great for making the extra cash if you have a GM that doesn't mind. When I played in a group years ago before I was the GM I did a play-by-email game when my team wasn't on a run. Usually bodyguarding or investigative type stuff, but it was great for karma and for the extra cash. Plus when I needed the extra firepower or the contacts. There's lots of advantages. Although some groups dislike it because a single PC can grow stronger then the rest of the team.
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now the shadow or the phantom have intresting magic themes to them and just because a moive focus on a single hero no reason you cant modify it as a run for a team
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Yeah, I had a similar problem with my games when I was running two games at the same time for different groups- there were a few people (most notably the future missus) who got a drek load of extra karma, nuyen, and contacts, as well as the experience, and before long, she was rivalling the runners who had made thier characters years before, just because her character got to play twice as often.
I don't really know many movies that have a magic theme that work for Shadowrun movies- magic movies tend to be a little more mystical, rather than down and dirty. And I know that's what makes Shadowrun unique, but it's something they're trying to do with Constantine, Dresden Files, or even the new show with Jeff Goldblum.
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There was some movie I saw late at night that had some killer magic in it, but then I get I was under the influence of mind altering drugs so I might've imagined the whole thing.
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ok three of the top of my head the shadow the phantom and belly of the beast great ritural magic
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I haven't seen any of those...
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the frist two are based of newspaper comicsstrips the third stars steven sagal
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Oh wait Belly of the Beast, sounds vaguely familiar...remind me what it's about.
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Have the Mission Impossibles been mentioned yet. They totally fit the bill.
Teamwork, betrayals, intrigue, stealth, techy gadgets.
I suppose. I just wish they hadn't used Mission Impossible as the template. I loved the old show and hated what they did to Jim Phelps in the movie.
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Yeah.
Also, the Phantom... le sigh. The best line in the entire movie was "Toothpaste? Oh really?"
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You know, one that isn't based on Shadowrun, but is till a great movie based on gaming and old fiction is Cast a Deadly Spell. It was an HBO original movie based on the premise of, "It was 1945 and everyone used magic." It is a bit on the silly side sometimes, but still a pretty good illustration of how a society would function after the Awakening.
And it has Cthulhu, so that rocks. (http://members.cox.net/gwire/Smiley - Cthulhu 01.gif)
Gabriel
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Damn I watch HBO every day and I haven't heard of that movie. But then again I'm a little burned out from my over absorbtion of WWII from the History channel...So when I see any movie with 1940s in it, I tend to avoid them now...
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just finshed watching a very strange progam on stars called the contenders seris 7 its the aprentince meets running man meets survirer
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THAT sounds interesting
Gabriel
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that could be intresting for a one night throw away munchkin session
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Cast a Deadly Spell.
Oh yes, that old thing.
I watched with flipside and some of the gang back then.
Not bad at all.
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I have to say, I would love to get a DVD of this one day. If I ever think about it at the time, that is.
Gabriel
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And then there's Underworld and it's sequel. Yeah, it more fits to White wolf's World of Darkness, ho-hum, but Lycanthropes, Vampires, and urban/grudge gun-toting rogue elements of society are present. That's just Shadowrun with a dose of HMHVV. Or failing that, fighting the supernatural and spirits. . .
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I would agree to a certain extent that Underworld and the sequel are Shadowrunish movies. They definately had the feel to them!
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I heard the people who made Underworld got into some trouble because people thought they had ripped of White Wolf's WoD
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Well, one werewolf/vampire movie is pretty much the same as all others. It's not a very deep genre.
Gabriel
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True.
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Would Eraser count?
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I think it should, bad science aside.
Of course, given that consideration, most of Arnie's movies count as SR-type movies.
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Like Predator?
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That's more sci-fi. I was thinking Commado.
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You know I honestly don't think I've actually seen that movie.
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Uhhh... I wouldn't rent it, or pay money to see it, but if it happened to be on TV, and the remote was too far out of my reach, and I was too tired to actually get up and change the channel, I might watch it.
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But that's saying something. It's a fun watch, but it resembles more of a "ooh, I have a troll street sam! Let's go find some victims!" than anything else.
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Damn that's funny. I don't think I'll waste my time watching it then. And your feelings towards "oh I have a troll street sam lets find victims" is EXACTLY how my brother is when he plays. Only now its "ooh, I got a dwarf vampire with cyberware and I'm fully loaded on my essence, let's go kill some people anyway"
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Hey, it's 80s action movies at thier finest. But if you didn't like 80s action movies... well, then you probably wouldn't like it. I know I didn't. But it was a pretty Shadowrun movie.
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I might be able to strap myself into a chair with Nike in my lap and watch it...
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Well, then it would probably be enjoyable. ;D
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LOL, I agree it would be really enjoyable :D
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Hell yeah! But in all seriousness, if I can try to catch it I will. So now another possible Shadowrun movie is this new movie Covenant...I haven't heard much about it but somebody said it envolved magic...
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Is that the one where there's a bunch of kids that can to whatever they want, but there's a limit on how much they can do before burning out?
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Oh I have no idea, I just heard someone say it had to do with magic...
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acturly its about the one kid trying to kills the others to stop the thier misuse of the power and if were talking troll street sam moive looking for victims frist blood
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It sounds awesome!! :D
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You know another movie that popped into my head today was that movie Assassins with Sly Stallone in it...
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For humor, try a break-and-enter run against the kid from Home Alone. . . Heheheh.
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lol
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Actually, that would be DAMN fun if that kid was a corporate big-shot's little brat and daddy left him alone with the security staff or even just got himself locked into the security center for the main office and refused to let anyone in because he was pissed off at daddy. Oh man, I can see that run now:
Mr. Johnson: Ok, you have to get into this secret corporate weapons facility, get past all of the defenses, and make it to the security center. Then you have to break in and capture the one who has co-opted the system.
Runners: Sounds good, I'll get the Panther cannon out of the van.
Mr. Johnson: Oh. Did I forget to mention that you aren't supposed to damage any of the weapons and that the person inside the control room MUST be taken alive and unhurt?
Runners: um.....
Gabriel
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Well, runners have proven that they can get past monowire fences, cockatrices, ceberus hounds, spirits, elementals, IC, autocannons, and maglocs.
But can they defeat a doorknob connected to 220 volt socket? Or a frozen staircase? Or a living room full of shattered Christmas ornaments. . . Dermal plating doesn't affect the bare soles of your feet, even for trolls. . .
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Ever hook up 5 laser sites to motion tracking servos and then hidden them in a dark room? Anyone coming into taht room gets a HELL of a scare for a few seconds and 5 red dots start tracking him around the room from darkened, concealed locations. And just imagine what else the little bastard could come up wtih.
Gabriel
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That may be the funniest thing I have ever heard! I am stealing that idea for my RL group!
On topic though, has anyone mentioned Escape from New York, Escape from LA? Your basic sammie/muscleman with a bomb/poison on/in him doing work for a dirty government. Plus the whole grungy distopian future.
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Or for another comedic run, what about pulling off a Hudson Hawk-style theft?
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That may be the funniest thing I have ever heard! I am stealing that idea for my RL group!
On topic though, has anyone mentioned Escape from New York, Escape from LA? Your basic sammie/muscleman with a bomb/poison on/in him doing work for a dirty government. Plus the whole grungy distopian future.
Chummer, that idea was FROM my old group. Our decker couldn't afford all the guns and sofisticated targetting software to actually make a home security system that worked, so he hooked up a bunch of laser pointers to some homemade servoes hooked up to motion sensors. It worked pretty well.
And as for Escape From New York, it's funny you mentioned that one. I have always pictured the Barrens like that version of Manhatten. I can't believe I forgot about it in this thread. And of course, if you want to take the idea of the "big wall" in the movie into SR, just use it as a model for El Infierno in Cal Free.
Gabriel
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FRAG! I have this movie on my mind but I can't think of the name or the actors involved. Now I'm pissed cuz I don't really know what to say about it. Other then I haven't seen either of those Escape movies...you know I use to think I watched a lot of movies, but you guys are always mentioning movies I've never seen...
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Well, for me, I hung out with a moviephile for awhile. If we didn't catch them in the theaters, we'd watch them on DVD. Even after he left, I still went out to the theater. Sometimes as many as two a week.
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I grew up next door to a movie theater. That got me hooked. So naturally I keep the addiction alive. ;) Anyway, I think the actor you are talking about in those movies is Kirt Russle.
Gabriel
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Or Kurt Russel.
He's on;y been in the business since he was 6 or so....
Has anyone mentioned Equilibrium yet?
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Yeah we got in a long topic of trying to create a shadowrun verison of a Celeric
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He means Cleric. As in Cleric John Preston.
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Yeah exactly!
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Actually, we did a pretty bang-up job of it. He had two pistols, more ambidexterity than anyone has a right to, and some phat adept powers to boost his skills (and speed).
-kv
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What would his flaws have been? 8 points of ambidexterity is going to cost you.
Gabriel
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just watched a perfect shadowrun moive on starz called cyber wars
it acturaly explains the matirexs crash buitfuly
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Haven't seen that either...
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How about "The Marine"? I just watched it last night (It's due back tomorrow) and it's crappy, but it has a pretty accurate Shadowrunning team- the nutjob, the shady guy, the guy who can do any other job, the slitch, and the crazy leader.
-kv
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Sounds...interesting...
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No, but it was just funny because they were the bad guys of the movie.
-kv
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Well all of us runners are "bad guys" in some sense... ;D
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Of course, that would be a kind of terrifying run- you get the diamonds, get out, and this huge troll packed with cyberwear chases you down, killing your team one at a time.
-kv
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Sounds like just another night in the Sprawl, chummer.
Gabriel
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That it does.
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;D
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I'm suprised that no one has mentioned Tron. Granted, it's old, dated, and has different mechanics, but it's among the prime inspirations (Or inspired by) many different cyberpunk books, movies, etc. It's shows you how some of the Matrix could look, and how everything needs permissions, and the world is abstracted. Plus the MCP could act like a punk of an AI (Cough, Deus, Cough). . . .
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Hmmm... which came first? Tron or Gibson's "Matrix?"
-kv
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Tron 1982
Gibson's Neuromancer 1984
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So, if Tron was shown in 82, it was arguably filmed in 80-81, and probably written in 79/80.
How can Gibson complain that Shadowrun is derivitave (a rip-off, I've heard it called) of his original idea? Because they used the phrases "Matrix," or "Cyberspace"?
-kv
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Go read Burning Chrome (http://project.cyberpunk.ru/idb/burningchrome.html). I'm pretty sure he used to concept back then even.
In Burning Chrome if not the earlier short stories.
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Hmmm... but all of that stuff was published in 81, when production of the Tron movie would've already been under production (movies typically take about two years to make, from start of production to release- Lucas reorganized the way movies were shot with Star Wars, when he had the novel idea of shooting scenes, not in the order they were in the script, but in the order that was best arranged to use the same sets, and then tearing them down for new sets).
So I wonder which actually came first.
(Burning Chrome was written in 1985? With the guy who wrote Babylon 5?)
-kv
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Yeah you guys fried my brain again!!! LOL
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Has anyone mentioned Final Fantasy? That movie looks EXACTLY how I've always pictured the Matrix looking: hyper-real CG, but obviously so. You can't mistake full immersion for reality, but it's real enough to provide a fantastic substitute.
Gabriel
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Does this mean every time I come into the Matrix, I have to look at someone and think to myself "That looks like Ben Affleck... but it's not... Who IS that?"
-kv
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??????
Gabriel
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Has anyone mentioned Final Fantasy? That movie looks EXACTLY how I've always pictured the Matrix looking: hyper-real CG, but obviously so. You can't mistake full immersion for reality, but it's real enough to provide a fantastic substitute.
Gabriel
You raise a good point, Sir. The only way to mistake full immersion for reality is through overuse/abuse of BTL ASIST and perhaps extended-stay immersion (As in 4+ real time days in the Matrix)
But that's more psychological than a technical issue.
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See, there, anyone who wants to play a decker, just rent this movie.
Gabriel
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Anyone who wants to play a BTL-head, pretend like the matrix is real life!
-kv
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Or Total Recall.
Gabriel