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[mercy]

I bet a bounty hunter ciuld get away with it or you ritrul sorcery to locate them

[Retread]

Of course, that still leaves you open for one hell of a civil lawsuit.

[Gabriel]

Not really sure about that one. Maybe.

Gabriel

[Poison]

I was under the impression that the whole purpose of bounties was to kill or capture certain persons that have been deemed worthy of kill or capture by the authorities, but whom the authorities are unable to kill (for obvious reasons) or capture (because they're too well connected) within the bounds of the law and the other procedures of law enforcement.

For example, it's not against the law to enter someone's house without an invite.  It IS against police procedures to enter someone's house without an invitation or a warrant.  So a regular citizen could legally enter the house of a criminal without letting them know (as long as they don't do anything that would constitute a B&E).

Also, I would assume that being registered as a Bounty Hunter would provide some legal protection against claims of minor infractions perpetrated in the apprehension of the bounty.  Whether this would extend to mind-affecting spells... that would depend on the situation.  In the example mentioned above, I would say the defence lawyers would argue that it is no different from drugging someone and getting them to perform acts against their will, and the Bounty Hunter would be in deep drek.

[mercy]

as for a real life wxample look ay dog chapmen

[Gabriel]

Oh please, that guy is a joke. What real life bounty hunter tries to LOOK like a movie version of a bounty hunter. That guy's got a super-hero fixation.

As for Poison's comment, it IS illegal for anyone to enter into a domicile without invitation or prior knowledge of the owner of the domicile, that includes both police and private citivens. However, bounty hunters have fallen into a legal crack, as it were, and no one really seems to want to pry them out. They are much too convinient.

Gabriel

[kv]

Actually, Dog is into problems of his own... I heard something about a mexican extradition due to legal problems from the time he picked up the heir to the MaxFactor fortune.

  -kv

[Gabriel]

Legal problems? Yeah, he got arrested. Kind of interesting bit of irony (or is it just coincidence?) to have a bounty hunter arrested for bounty hunting. Gotta love it.

Gabriel

[mercy]

yhea and skiped the cort date

[Retread]

It is illegal by UCAS law to affect someone with a mind-altering spell, period. Mind Probes, Control Actions, Control Emotions, Control Mind, etc are illegal by the Constitution both in regards to self-incrimination and other lesser statutes.

[Gabriel]

I understand that, but so is illegal search and seizure (4th Amendment) but B-H's still get to do it. Like I said, legal blind-spot that the powers that be don't want to change.

Gabriel

[kv]

I think perhaps it's possible that you have a better understanding of the law than the writers of shadowrun (them being caffiene junkies from the northwest, and you being the son of a cop), and should integrate it into your games.

Or we could address this in our own module/run. Since they seem to be on the 'giving away runs for free to make people play 4th edition' kick, it might be an interesting enough plot hook to get thier attention.

Of course, Shadowrun has different laws when it comes to cops, and all that.

  -kv

[Gabriel]

Very true, and any GM is easily able to impose his version of law and order into the game. Since you don't get a free constitution with every copy of the core book, who's to say if even the majority of American law prevails in the UCAS.

Gabriel

[kv]

I thought the UCAS kept the constitution as it's governing document, although provisions were made for canadian citizens, as well as changing the number of congressmen and senators and everything.

That was my understanding.

  -kv

[Retread]

Yes, the UCAS Constitution is very similar to the United States constitution.

The law is interesting regarding magic. See, if a spell compels the target to incriminate themself, it violates the 5th amendment. So a Compel Truth spell or Control Actions would be illegal whereas a Detect Lie spell would not. Additionally, Spirits are not allowed to testify in a court room, hence making the "It's the victim's ghost!" case irrelevant.

Coercion and compulsion are illegal regardless of whether or not you're a cop or not. The same as black mail.