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[AJStarhiker]

And maggots'll take care of any gangrene.

[kv]

Like, ROOTless said, topic.

  -kv

[Ruski]

anyone seen any old world swag that was in refrence to the desert combat campaigns put on by the big 10?

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[Jester]

nope

[kv]

That would actually be kind of cool... I wonder...

Hey, Gabe, did you ever get a chance to talk to your friend with the printing stuff, to see if we could start making some SR Swag?

I know we wanted to do the hats and stuff... but I think it would be cool if we started our own merchandise section. SR shirts and stuff. It could support the Pub, and line our pocke... I mean, go toward many charitable foundations.

Like the Buy Gabe and Kid large amounts of ph47 13w7... foundation.
Hahahaha... i was just thinking of a cool shirt: one that says:
"1 h473 13375p34k"... hahahahahhaa....

   -kv

[Jester]

lol, me too

[kv]

I was thinking about this the other day (I've had migraines for the better part of a week, so I've had plenty of time sitting in darkened rooms to think), and I really wanted to utilize the wide variety of knowledge we have access to here and make something that'll help the Pub stand out.

I want to make t-shirts to sell for the pub. Nothing really fancy, but I don't really know of a lot of shadowrun shirts you can get in the US- although I'm sure the fans over in Europe probably have some (seeing as how they're more hardcore than we are)

I was thinking of a couple of designs- one that says: "C@FP0W" with a huge color design, and "now in nicotinated and non-nicotinated flavors" written below it. And on the back, in little red stylized writing, the words "Stuffer Shack," as if that were the brand.

I haven't thought it through all the way, but it wouldn't be hard to do a bunch of fake product shirts- krill chips, soy-milk, and whatever else you wanted to do, but I think the thing that would set it apart from other attempts is that we have acces to multi-lingual individuals here, so we can have these same ideas translated into japanese and german (or whatever other languages we wanted)

So.... ubermenschen, what do you think?

  -kv

[Gabriel]

The only thing I would be worried about would be copyright infringment from FanPro. Once we get that sorted out, It hink we could do it rather easily. I would like to do some hats, but we both know how far THAT got. As for t-shirts I still like the "I'm not fat, I just have titanium bone lacing!" and "Have light pistol, will travel" but that's just me.

But keep this topic going and e-mail me. I am having a BUSY day at the office and may not get a chance to check the pub again until tomorrow.

Gabriel

[AJStarhiker]

Sounds like a cool idea.

[Ruski]

as long as we aren't using any dirrectly refrenced material from shadowrun, it shouldn't really matter, copyright wise.

it's only when you try to make money off of their ideas that you'll get in trouble.

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[kv]

But since a lot of shadowrun comes from Blade Runner, William Gibson and Soylent Green, how much can they really pursue it?

I mean, the name "Stuffer Shack" is probably owned by them. But Krill chips? No. C@FP0W!? Probably not- since I made that up myself, using the name that Abbie on NCIS gives her drinks.

Does anyone know who I would have to talk to to figure out how to get permission for this? I'm not going for big-time money, I was just thinking it would be a nice addition to the site, since people are filtering through here with thier SR4 questions.

(Trust me, I understand why they are- I've seen other forums- where someone asks a 4th Edition question, and 35 people respond that they don't know because they haven't read the book or haven't read that far yet. It would appear that we are the experts.)

  -kv

[AJStarhiker]

Well, maybe try the 'Contact Us' link over at the FanPro website?  Pester them enough, you could probably get an answer.

[Gabriel]

Here's the thing, I like the SR logo, the original one with the ram skull and the circuitry scroll behind it. I want to use that as a back ground image or at least subordinate logo somewhere on the shirt, but I don't think that would be feasible for anything we made money off of. Likewise, calling ourselves the Shadowrun Pub is also a coyright issue, since the name is a direct derivitive of the game we all play and discuss on these forums. So I don't really think woudl COULD sell anything we design. That's one of the reasons I wante dto get people to chip in for the hats, no profit equals no liability. If anyone can think of a viable way to adress these issuse, then let's get this started. OTher than that, I really think we may not have a leg to stand on here.

Gabriel

[Ruski]

what you are looking for is a permission for use using copyrighted material.

their default answer for everything is: No.

and rightfully so, the only way they will let you use thier logos and such is if you are using it for 'not for profit fan fiction'

if you want to buy a license to produce product with their logo on it, you could go that way, but the trick is to not say "May I for free" but rather "how much would it cost to..."
then you get the sales department, as opposed to the lawyer department.

but, I'd expect the price of a limited edition hat to run you in the range of $5K

caff-pow, titanium bone lacing, and anything else from 'cyberpunk-ish' origins is fair game.

for example, they wouldn't be able to sue you if you put 'elves do it in the trees' on a hat, because they didn't come up with elves.

if you put 'deckers' 'move-by-wire-level-3' or 'stuffer shack', you are clearly just stealing their ideas for your own personal gain.

-RuskiFace the Pirate

[kv]

Well, another option is to start, and hope they don't notice or don't bother to send us a "Cease and Desist!"

I think that's what I'll go with. Of course, that could just be frustration or the migraine talking.

  -kv