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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2007, 11:39:28 AM »

As much as I like Mal, I kind of think he would have lost that fight. If it would have been a gun fight, then I'm with Mal. But a melee whould have gone to the assassin. However, it WAS nice to see him surprise the cocky cobber.

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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2007, 12:25:26 PM »

Well, when you hit everyone in the same spot, eventually you're going to get someone who isn't affected by it.

The Operative was just unlucky that the guy who didn't happen to be affected by it was one who REALLY wanted to hurt him, knew how, and took advantage of the fact that the operative thought he was disabled.

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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2007, 04:45:31 AM »

Well, all in all, a good climax to the movie none-the-less.

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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2007, 10:33:36 AM »

Oh, yeah. I so loved them dragging the reavers into the fight with the Alliance forces.  A deal with the devil to be sure, because there's no negotiating with either party, but you know you can't do it alone.  Kudos for that.  Good fight with Mal and the Op, too.  As I said, I think they should have left in that one scene tha pretty much explains why the Op quit fighting once the broadcst button was pushed since he was pretty well established as a no quit kinda guy.  Killing any prime character would have done what you argue, Kid, therefore IMO, Book's death - the logical one - was sufficient.  Without Wash, in a marketing frame of mind, there is no possibility of a decent sequel.  I again say killing off your comic relief for simple shock value is just bad story telling.  I absolutely demand a good, plausible, logical reason for every primary character death - after that is established, go crazy.  
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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2007, 10:47:26 AM »

I think the good, plausible, logical reason he died was a big fraggin' harpoon through his chest. Just a thought.

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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2007, 12:44:45 PM »

Well, there isn't always a good plausible reason why people die- especially in wartime. Or in my shadowrun group, where the morons tend to outnumber the smart runners, and the morons are the ones that somehow always find a way to survive.

Book's death was sad for me, because I really liked the character, but it seemed like I was in the minority there. Wash's death upset a great number of people, because we ALL really liked Wash, but it also gave the impression that anyone could die.

You might not like it, but it is a great storytelling device- Whedon took an established hollywood law (you can't kill the important or likeable characters), and broke it thouroughly. Wash was probably the most likeable character on the crew, and his death was a shock. If Wash could die, then anyone on the crew could die- this wasn't the tightknit group of heroes who remain unchanged per Stan Lee's 1970 instruction that main characters only undergo the "apprearance of change." They were capable of dying, and it made Mal and The Operative's fight that much more tense, and it made the rest of the crew standing off against the reavers that much more threatening and scary. And it made River's sacrifice that much more moving- she really could have died.

I liked it, and I thought it was good writing, even if it didn't follow the established laws of literature and film.

I could compare it to Harry Potter and the "someone is going to die this book," thing JK Rowlings does, but I know Mr. Potter irritates some people here.

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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2007, 09:56:00 AM »

Now see, it did just the opposite for me, Kid. It was more like... Well, fuck they killed Wash, I guess he's our great sacrifice on the alter of shock; the rest of this fight is going to go all Mal's way.

My favorite SR death followed the remark to the security team "it's okay, we're shadowrunners...."
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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2007, 11:06:49 AM »

LOL! You should have posted that in the CLUE Files.

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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2007, 06:00:36 PM »

kid using your own statemement logicly Mal should have died not walsh think of the emtional effect it would have whenn thier leader th glue that held the crew toghter that despite thier other problems would follow him thru the gates of hell hadd died
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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2007, 11:59:46 AM »

Uhhh... Mal is the show. His ship, his missions, his code of honor, his problems.

Do you really think that Jane would have any problem stealing the medicine from those people? Or any problem dumping Mal and Zoe's old crew mate?

Mal is pretty much the last character they can kill- because he's the center of the show.

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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2007, 01:01:51 AM »

excatly the opptinty for plot develoment is huge and I  suspect that zoey would take over
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« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2007, 02:42:03 PM »

Probably, although I could see Jayne making a power bid.
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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2007, 12:54:34 AM »

that he would fail merisably in
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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2007, 05:06:40 AM »

Well, he has been taken down by the Doc several times alredy, so yeah, I can see Jayne failing to grab the crew's loyalty.

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Re:Serenity Revisted
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2007, 08:56:26 AM »

Uhhh... yeah, but just like we were discussing, just because you want something to happen doesn't make it logical. There would be no reason for Inara to be on the ship anymore, so she would leave. The Doctor and River would get too comfortable, and probably get caught, and Book would have had no reason to stay.

Mal was the center character. His death means the end of the series. It would be like if Kirk died in the original Star Trek- Spock could have taken over, but they just would have ended the show.

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